Mar-16-2018 05:00 AM
Feb-11-2019 03:07 PM
Feb-11-2019 03:03 PM
Cummins12V98 wrote:ShinerBock wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
"So you see, the more time, money and manpower they devote to these pissing matches, the more it likely hurts the rest of the truck."
In YOUR opinion.
Possibly a bad water pump depending on what brand was installed on your Cummins engine. Is that RAM's fault?
Bottom line there were some bad pumps and they replaced them.
I was just using the water pump as one simple example of many. Would you like me to use another recall out of the 10 my brother and I got? Just got a new one last week that they says they don't have a solution for.
To me it's all like water running off a Duck's back!!!
Feb-11-2019 01:48 PM
Feb-11-2019 01:45 PM
ShinerBock wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
"So you see, the more time, money and manpower they devote to these pissing matches, the more it likely hurts the rest of the truck."
In YOUR opinion.
Possibly a bad water pump depending on what brand was installed on your Cummins engine. Is that RAM's fault?
Bottom line there were some bad pumps and they replaced them.
I was just using the water pump as one simple example of many. Would you like me to use another recall out of the 10 my brother and I got? Just got a new one last week that they says they don't have a solution for.
Feb-11-2019 12:47 PM
mich800 wrote:ShinerBock wrote:
You keep insinuating that I do not want the trucks to improve which is false as I have stated multiple times. You guys are just getting mad because I feel that if a company is having so many quality issues ,which Ram clearly is with so many recalls, more money and time should go into fixing that and improving reliability of new models before trying to win a pissing match tow battle especially when their current ratings of 31k covers 99.999999999999999999999% of their customers.
There is fine line between Ram(and other makes) improving these trucks and their ratings to meet customer demand versus doing so just to win "best in class". One actually benefits customers, the other just adds unnecessary cost to every truck with no real ROI since very few customers will actually buy these truck configurations. I can see if there was a big market for these ratings, but there isn't so the rest of us have to bear the cost of these pissing matches with a higher cost truck that you have to take back to the dealer every other month due to recalls.
It is senseless for any manufacturer of any product to spend so much time and money on something that less that .1% of their customers will actually buy and will increase the cost of their product when they are having reliability issues with excising product. That is how companies go bankrupt and need bailouts.
I agree they (all manufactures) need to do both. Allowing poor quality will ultimately reduce innovation and new performance/options as the money that could be spend on R&D will get diverted to recalls and repairs. Ram has two recalls out right now that do not inspire confidence. Failing steering adjusters on the HD's and the adjustable pedals on the 1500's. I think back on how many times I have adjusted the pedals while driving (not recommended by the mfg). That would sure be a pucker moment if the brake pedal fell off doing that.
Feb-11-2019 12:32 PM
Viperpoker wrote:
Now look who doesn’t understand. I was just referring to your arrogant attitude and coming across as a total a$$, with anyone who disagrees with you. You can believe what you want without insulting everyone with a different opinion. You probably should buy that Toyota. Or apply for CEO of Ram so you can stop them from being so stupid. And Ram is not “best in class”. Ford is today, and GM looks to be tomorrow, unless Ford has a pissing contest and beats them.
Feb-11-2019 12:20 PM
ShinerBock wrote:Viperpoker wrote:ShinerBock wrote:Viperpoker wrote:
Just think how great it would be if they had just focused on making all of the parts more reliable and higher quality on this truck, instead of useless/crazy/unneeded performance improvements. It would be awesome!!
If that is what you get out of what am saying then I am afraid you aren't fully understanding what I am saying and/or how developing a product works.
I like the way you point out that people don't understand your wisdom or the development process.. I understand you very well, just happen to disagree, and I don't have to throw around terms like, stupid, stupidity, ridiculous, fanboy, pissing match, knuckleheads, or"mine is better" to help them get through life. No one has to buy one of these trucks (and we were talking about Chevy's, not Rams) If someone doesn't like the new trucks, they can buy a used one from a few years ago. Or they can buy a Toyota, if you think they have the quality advantage. You may have to get a smaller RV or a trailer, but it is an option.
If anyone sounds like a fanboy, you appear to only consider Rams. I have had all three, and would have no problem buying any of them again. If I think one is ahead of the others in multiple categories, including price, performance, reliability, resell, etc, I would buy it. Some people like work trucks, others like every bell and whistle there is. More power to them. Not gonna throw out insulting terms for any of their decisions.
GM, Ford, and Ram are all in competition, and will do whatever they think will give them an edge in the market place. Sometimes they make good calls, sometimes not, but if they screw the pooch too bad, the market will punish them.
Here are some of your greatest hits from this thread, for those idiots who disagree with you.
Stupidity. Just pissing match bragging rights by fanboys who are the types of people who like to say "mine is better" to help them get through life and will probably never own the truck configuration or licence needed to tow that much.
I don't need to say mine is rated to tow some exorbitant amount that I will never tow to make me feel better about what I drive. I am not a one brand only fanboy to care about such things.
I just think it is a little ridiculous and wonder when enough will be enough. 40k, 50k 60k? Is there a point where these knuckle head fanboys who salivate at these numbers
I really don't think you guys understand how manufacturing and COGM works.
because a few fanboys want more than they will ever need just to say their brand is bette
You keep insinuating that I do not want the trucks to improve which is false as I have stated multiple times. You guys are just getting mad because I feel that if a company is having so many quality issues ,which Ram clearly is with so many recalls, more money and time should go into fixing that and improving reliability of new models before trying to win a pissing match tow battle especially when their current ratings of 31k covers 99.999999999999999999999% of their customers.
There is fine line between Ram(and other makes) improving these trucks and their ratings to meet customer demand versus doing so just to win "best in class". One actually benefits customers, the other just adds unnecessary cost to every truck with no real ROI since very few customers will actually buy these truck configurations. I can see if there was a big market for these ratings, but there isn't so the rest of us have to bear the cost of these pissing matches with a higher cost truck that you have to take back to the dealer every other month due to recalls.
Feb-11-2019 12:18 PM
ShinerBock wrote:
You keep insinuating that I do not want the trucks to improve which is false as I have stated multiple times. You guys are just getting mad because I feel that if a company is having so many quality issues ,which Ram clearly is with so many recalls, more money and time should go into fixing that and improving reliability of new models before trying to win a pissing match tow battle especially when their current ratings of 31k covers 99.999999999999999999999% of their customers.
There is fine line between Ram(and other makes) improving these trucks and their ratings to meet customer demand versus doing so just to win "best in class". One actually benefits customers, the other just adds unnecessary cost to every truck with no real ROI since very few customers will actually buy these truck configurations. I can see if there was a big market for these ratings, but there isn't so the rest of us have to bear the cost of these pissing matches with a higher cost truck that you have to take back to the dealer every other month due to recalls.
It is senseless for any manufacturer of any product to spend so much time and money on something that less that .1% of their customers will actually buy and will increase the cost of their product when they are having reliability issues with excising product. That is how companies go bankrupt and need bailouts.
Feb-11-2019 12:06 PM
Viperpoker wrote:ShinerBock wrote:Viperpoker wrote:
Just think how great it would be if they had just focused on making all of the parts more reliable and higher quality on this truck, instead of useless/crazy/unneeded performance improvements. It would be awesome!!
If that is what you get out of what am saying then I am afraid you aren't fully understanding what I am saying and/or how developing a product works.
I like the way you point out that people don't understand your wisdom or the development process.. I understand you very well, just happen to disagree, and I don't have to throw around terms like, stupid, stupidity, ridiculous, fanboy, pissing match, knuckleheads, or"mine is better" to help them get through life. No one has to buy one of these trucks (and we were talking about Chevy's, not Rams) If someone doesn't like the new trucks, they can buy a used one from a few years ago. Or they can buy a Toyota, if you think they have the quality advantage. You may have to get a smaller RV or a trailer, but it is an option.
If anyone sounds like a fanboy, you appear to only consider Rams. I have had all three, and would have no problem buying any of them again. If I think one is ahead of the others in multiple categories, including price, performance, reliability, resell, etc, I would buy it. Some people like work trucks, others like every bell and whistle there is. More power to them. Not gonna throw out insulting terms for any of their decisions.
GM, Ford, and Ram are all in competition, and will do whatever they think will give them an edge in the market place. Sometimes they make good calls, sometimes not, but if they screw the pooch too bad, the market will punish them.
Here are some of your greatest hits from this thread, for those idiots who disagree with you.
Stupidity. Just pissing match bragging rights by fanboys who are the types of people who like to say "mine is better" to help them get through life and will probably never own the truck configuration or licence needed to tow that much.
I don't need to say mine is rated to tow some exorbitant amount that I will never tow to make me feel better about what I drive. I am not a one brand only fanboy to care about such things.
I just think it is a little ridiculous and wonder when enough will be enough. 40k, 50k 60k? Is there a point where these knuckle head fanboys who salivate at these numbers
I really don't think you guys understand how manufacturing and COGM works.
because a few fanboys want more than they will ever need just to say their brand is bette
Feb-11-2019 11:34 AM
ShinerBock wrote:Viperpoker wrote:
Just think how great it would be if they had just focused on making all of the parts more reliable and higher quality on this truck, instead of useless/crazy/unneeded performance improvements. It would be awesome!!
If that is what you get out of what am saying then I am afraid you aren't fully understanding what I am saying and/or how developing a product works.
Feb-11-2019 10:22 AM
Viperpoker wrote:
Just think how great it would be if they had just focused on making all of the parts more reliable and higher quality on this truck, instead of useless/crazy/unneeded performance improvements. It would be awesome!!
Feb-11-2019 10:21 AM
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"So you see, the more time, money and manpower they devote to these pissing matches, the more it likely hurts the rest of the truck."
In YOUR opinion.
Possibly a bad water pump depending on what brand was installed on your Cummins engine. Is that RAM's fault?
Bottom line there were some bad pumps and they replaced them.
Feb-11-2019 10:19 AM
ExxWhy wrote:
This is way out of my knowledge base. You are telling me that larger medium duty class trucks (4500/5500/6500) have stricter emission standards than consumer grade (2500/3500) pickup trucks? Makes no sense to me, but if that is what comes from the government it wouldn't shock me. Can you enlighten us on that?
I completely disagree with the last sentence. More capable does not equate to less reliable, just the opposite IMO.
Feb-11-2019 08:11 AM
Viperpoker wrote:
Just think how great it would be if they had just focused on making all of the parts more reliable and higher quality on this truck, instead of useless/crazy/unneeded performance improvements. It would be awesome!!