Ford files trademark for F200 pickup.

[Reisender]

Interesting. Here’s the link.

https://insideevs.com/news/685165/ford-f200-trademark-filing/?fbclid=IwAR3Yi8D4IAgQ3KV3QwspPB69fXQgr...

[Groover]

I am getting suspicious and hopeful that the F200 will be what has been sold as the max payload version of the F150. Hopefully upgraded to 8 lug wheels and 8,800lbs GVWR. I have no data to base that on but it just makes sense to me. With the least GVWR of the F250 being 10,000lbs this could bridge the gap between the F150 and F250, as the name implies.

The max payload F150 does already have a significantly sturdier frame than the regular model does so I don't think that boosting it up to 8,800lbs would be much of stretch.

[nickthehunter]

MNRon wrote:
Lots of people complaining about automobiles being foisted on the poor horse owners and putting blacksmiths out of business here. I think TurnThePage’s post was dead on. Maybe it’s time to put the politics away on this forum and get back to camping

No one ever mandated that you could no longer buy a horse for basic transportation and had to use a car instead. Horses were put out to pasture by the public’s acceptance of the automobiles as a more viable alternative.. Conversely, officials are mandating that you can no longer buy ice cars for basic transportation, and are making EV’s the only viable alternative.

Point being - it's a false equivalence, horses were never outlawed and ice vehicles foisted on them instead.

[Latner]

MNRon wrote:
Lots of people complaining about automobiles being foisted on the poor horse owners and putting blacksmiths out of business here. I think TurnThePage’s post was dead on. Maybe it’s time to put the politics away on this forum and get back to camping

I agree! There is just too much division on this EV topic for it to even show up on a rv forum where most are using gas/diesel to enjoy their camping adventures. Until it's an actual viable option, I don't see the point in the discussion.

[MNRon]

Lots of people complaining about automobiles being foisted on the poor horse owners and putting blacksmiths out of business here. I think TurnThePage’s post was dead on. Maybe it’s time to put the politics away on this forum and get back to camping

[Latner]

ford truck guy wrote:
I will say this.... I left my career of 40+ years for several reasons, non of which have to do with camping... I started a non stress job working for a friend that owns a chain of Auto dealerships.. 2 Mazda, 2 Subaru, and 7 Ford...

I am a driver and move vehicles form dealership to dealership, make new vehicle deliveries, so on...

My ( Long winded ) point is, I have gotten to drive some pretty cool vehicles, and 1 is the Lightening ... That truck is a nice ride ! ! Will I own one NO... But they are very comfortable and a great handling truck...

They have a place here, not my place, not many on here's place, but SOME people want them...

Whoever wants an EV can buy one. The problem is the people who don't want them are being pushed in that direction. "We will end fossil fuels" and shutting down fossil fuel production does not sound like people having much of a choice.

[ford_truck_guy]

I will say this.... I left my career of 40+ years for several reasons, non of which have to do with camping... I started a non stress job working for a friend that owns a chain of Auto dealerships.. 2 Mazda, 2 Subaru, and 7 Ford...

I am a driver and move vehicles form dealership to dealership, make new vehicle deliveries, so on...

My ( Long winded ) point is, I have gotten to drive some pretty cool vehicles, and 1 is the Lightening ... That truck is a nice ride ! ! Will I own one NO... But they are very comfortable and a great handling truck...

They have a place here, not my place, not many on here's place, but SOME people want them...

[time2roll]

Or compare to a Stanley Steamer....

After going through the 17 steps necessary to start this car and then waiting 30 to 40 minutes for enough steam pressure to build, a driver could expect to travel about 35 to 45 miles before needing to stop and refill the 28-gallon tank with water. The water was heated by vaporized kerosene.

Technology could probably improve this a bit but still careful what you wish for.

[time2roll]

way2roll wrote:

time2roll wrote:

mosseater wrote:
I think we should try steam again as well.

Yes and fired with coal or heavy sulfur crude 😉

Anyone know the range of a steam train engine before needing water?

Farther than an EV. 🙂

Are you sure?

Google:

During the very early days of steam locomotives, water stops were necessary every 7–10 miles (11–16 km) and consumed much travel time. With the introduction of tenders (a special car containing water and fuel), trains could run 100–150 miles (160–240 km) without a refill.

[TurnThePage]

How much have we propped up the oil industry over the decades? Free market capitalism?

Remember leaded gas? How long were we happily poisoning ourselves with that, all the while complaining about how unleaded would destroy the world. I don't think electric battery production will ever be close to that.

Change happens. Keep up or get out of the way. Get used to it, blah blah blah.

If I don't retire first, my next commuter will likely be electric. They're already better in nearly every way, period. My next tow vehicle on the other hand, IF I get another one, will likely be diesel, mostly because I tow off the beaten path a lot. I imagine electric charging will penetrate pretty deeply into that arena fairly soon too.

[way2roll]

"Auto manufacturers are putting billions into EV development because people want them."

Wrong. Auto manufacturers are putting Billions of dollars into them because the government is giving them the money - taxpayer money. And you have built in demand - because the government is making EV's mandatory. This is not about free market capitalism and being competitive. This is about auto manufacturers making a deal with the government to secure funding and a captive consumer. And to your point, the manufacturers that don't get that deal, will go under. They can't do it on their own merit and resources, it's not cost effective. So the government again gets to dictate the market and who survives in it, not free market competition. When the government decides to manipulate the market with taxpayer money, your freedom to choose as a consumer is gone. And the loss of that freedom gets paired with a lighter wallet.

[Reisender]

way2roll wrote:

Reisender wrote:


Possibly poorly worded on my part. The number one selling car in the world is the tesla model Y.

“For the first time, an electric vehicle – the Tesla Model Y – became the world's best-selling car, at least for the first quarter of 2023, topping the Toyota Corolla and Toyota RAV4, according to data from JATO Dynamics published by Motor1.”


I’m not aware of anywhere that forces you to buy an EV but I’m not an American. Maybe you have different rules there. Here you can buy whatever car or truck you want. Where do you live that you are being forced to buy an EV tow vehicle?

Facts are slippery things and it requires you to do a little due diligence rather than take the word of someone with a vested interest.

Autoweek article - Is Tesla Model Y The World’s Best-Selling Car? Nope, Not Even Close.

And I am not sure why you can't grasp the financial impact to people who do not want to buy EV's. When the government mandates and pumps Billions into auto makers to force them to produce EV's, or when infrastructure has to be updated to support EV's, Or landfills have to update their practices, the list goes on and on - who do you think pays for that? Every single American who files taxes despite 93% of them NOT buying an EV - that's who.

Yah. No. Toyota is playing with the numbers and including a variety of models and body styles that loosely fall under Corolla umbrella. No publication agrees with that article and it was generally considered busted.

If people don’t want to buy an EV they shouldn’t. Lots of choices out there. That simple.

Auto manufacturers are putting billions into EV development because people want them. Any manufacturer that doesn’t is gone within two decades. Stellantis CEO has come right out and said it can’t be done and cars would have to start at 70,000 for them to make money. Meanwhile tesla sells them at 37000 ish dollars and has healthy margins. And the upcoming model 2 will be in the mid twenties.

Infrastructure is ongoing anywhere and changes with technology. Most countries are not having problems adapting their infrastructure.

I didn’t understand the reference to landfills. Cars here are generally recycled. And the batteries definitely are as they are super valuable.

Sorry I’m not up on American EV adaption rate or infrastructure challenges so can’t really comment on that.

We are about to hit the road on a little camping trip so I’ll check in next week. Enjoyed the civil discussion. I think some of our point of view differences are just living in different countries.

Safe travels way2roll.

[Grit_dog]

^While your viewpoints are generally well informed, I think your time above the Maple Syrup curtain is beginning to brainwash you with the socialism.
You know darn well what he’s talking about in the post above. And no, no one is forcing you to buy an EV…..today. But at the rate it’s going, that will be the case in the next decade, maybe 2, tops.

Fine by me, IF the overall cost and convenience are comparable. Which as of now, not even close, except maybe for high mile local commuter cars. And wholly impractical or even impossible in other scenarios beyond the commutermobile.

[way2roll]

Reisender wrote:


Possibly poorly worded on my part. The number one selling car in the world is the tesla model Y.

“For the first time, an electric vehicle – the Tesla Model Y – became the world's best-selling car, at least for the first quarter of 2023, topping the Toyota Corolla and Toyota RAV4, according to data from JATO Dynamics published by Motor1.”


I’m not aware of anywhere that forces you to buy an EV but I’m not an American. Maybe you have different rules there. Here you can buy whatever car or truck you want. Where do you live that you are being forced to buy an EV tow vehicle?

Facts are slippery things and it requires you to do a little due diligence rather than take the word of someone with a vested interest.

Autoweek article - Is Tesla Model Y The World’s Best-Selling Car? Nope, Not Even Close.

And I am not sure why you can't grasp the financial impact to people who do not want to buy EV's. When the government mandates and pumps Billions into auto makers to force them to produce EV's, or when infrastructure has to be updated to support EV's, Or landfills have to update their practices, the list goes on and on - who do you think pays for that? Every single American who files taxes despite 93% of them NOT buying an EV - that's who.

[Reisender]

way2roll wrote:

Reisender wrote:

way2roll wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Fisherman wrote:

Ok. But the easy answer is just not to buy one if it doesn’t suit you. Obviously many people prefer the tech, performance and convenience of an EV. It’s probably what makes them the number one selling car in the world.

For others it’s the wrong fit and they buy something else. Drive what you love and love what you drive.

As far as tow vehicles just buy a gas or diesel vehicle if that’s what you need. Presently electric tow vehicles are fine for small low profile trailers. I’m sure that will change a lot in the next 5 years. If you have a bigger trailer there is a large choice of gas and diesel vehicles.

Cheers.

EV's are the number one car selling in the world? Where are you getting your information? Currently - even with an increase in sales that has once again slowed - EV's sales make up 7% of the market share. It's not even possible with current production to make them the number one selling vehicle. Not even close.

Once again you miss my overarching point - it's not just about what I want or don't want to buy. These initiatives put me on the hook to pay for them whether I want to buy one or not. My opinion doesn't matter. It's being forced instead of organic free market. EV's are being mandated at the consumer and manufacturer level. I guess it's fine if they up your taxes and cost of electricity, and landfill fees etc to support the initiative if you agree with it.

Possibly poorly worded on my part. The number one selling car in the world is the tesla model Y.

“For the first time, an electric vehicle – the Tesla Model Y – became the world's best-selling car, at least for the first quarter of 2023, topping the Toyota Corolla and Toyota RAV4, according to data from JATO Dynamics published by Motor1.”


I’m not aware of anywhere that forces you to buy an EV but I’m not an American. Maybe you have different rules there. Here you can buy whatever car or truck you want. Where do you live that you are being forced to buy an EV tow vehicle?