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RV Fuel Issues & Prices - Post 'Em Here!

Dick_A
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mrjimboalaska
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You know, I see your 16 yr old working and driving as essential.
You are beginning to teach her "Real World" economics. BEFORE she is on her own, you can help guide her. She see's taxes coming out of her check (REALITY). Teach her to save 10% of everything she makes...for retirement, starting NOW...the rest, teaches her how to budget.
Kudo's to you, I see so many people today that say "My kid" doesn't have to work, then there kids struggle more than needed once on their own.

mrjimboalaska
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eltejano1 wrote:
Well, maybe I'm wrong then. I know the people I see around my neighborhood would have no problem at all cutting 50% of consumption - they won't put their kids on the schoolbus because only "poor people" ride the schoolbus! Stuff like that.

Jack

Jack,
You bring up another point....School Buses....actually, we live in a desired school district and neighborhood. I do see exactly what you said about the mom's dirving the kids to school. The reasoning for the 2 moms I know that do drop off and pick up(and they stay at home like me) is that the kids get on the bus 1 hour before school. Upside is they are the first to be dropped off.
My kids ride the bus! I rode a bus when I was there age, or buddy, DAD kicked my butt for 1/4 mile down the dirt road, and I showed up at school 1 hour late. Course, I started riding my motorbike when I was 12, licenced at 14......farming life is rough, that's why I went to College after HS......

How much Emergency Cash Bonds will we see popping up, just due to Fuel Costs of running our School Bus's, Law Enforcement, and EMS Vehicles????? Do you really think that they will absorb a 100% ++++
cost increase??? ALL BECAUSE WE WONT PUMP OUR OWN OIL...

rshidler
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I have to agree with eltejano1 ... I've said it many times that as long as people continue to use gas for things other than work, getting food and seeking medical care then gas prices are not yet too high.

I have reduced my consumption but can certainly do more. I have acquired a seasonal site so I'm not pulling the 5er down the road ... But I'm still driving the car to the seasonal site 23 miles from home. This is not work, food or medical care and therefore not essential.

My 16 year old daughter drives her car (Chevy Metro at 30+ mpg) to work at McDonalds. This is work but not essential work. She's working only so she can have some money to go shopping! More non-essential driving.

If you drive to the movies, bar, restaurant, dance hall, amusement park, little league ballgame, hunting spot, fishing hole, poker game at a buddy's house, bowling alley, concert, etc. (I think you get my drift) then gas is not too high.

Big Oil is a for-profit organization. They are not a charitable organization. Making 8%-10% profit is not unrealistic.

Bottom line: Get over yourself, get off your high horse and deal with reality. If you want to play, you gotta pay! Can't pay? Don't play.
Bob & Jamie
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- I can't be troubled with your business ... I'm far too busy tending to my own!
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eltejano1
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I gotta go to supper right now, Mr Jimbo - I'll get back with ya when I get up about 3:00 AM - after I recover from my drunken stupor! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

Jack

eltejano1
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Well, maybe I'm wrong then. I know the people I see around my neighborhood would have no problem at all cutting 50% of consumption - they won't put their kids on the schoolbus because only "poor people" ride the schoolbus! Stuff like that.

Jack

mrjimboalaska
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Jack,
America HAS cut it's fuel Consumption, AND THE PRICE HAS SPIKED 25%+ in 2 MONTHS!
Example from my family....My wife has been in Kuwait for the last 5 months, I don't commute since I take care of the house and kids. I ride my Softail when doing errands(except food, saddlebags arent enough) and we when we went to AZ during springbreak, I took the Mini-van instead of the Trailer(stayed with the Inlaws, sure missed the trailer!)
I am going to take my kids to see my parents in 2 weeks in Idaho, my kids deserve to know their grandparents. Cheaper to Drive the Truck and Camper than it is to fly, and the trip will be leisurely paced, exploring Colorado on the way.
THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF OIL IN OUR GROUND, WHAT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT.
Our main concern should be for the Farmers, do you know how much diesel those John Deere's and Case's suck.....YOU THINK THE COST OF FUEL IS HIGH, I'LL check back with ya next year and ask you about the cost of FOOD.

eltejano1
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Touche, Joe!

I had that comin' - I've taken some pretty mean swipes at you - but you nailed me there!! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

Your friend, Jack

AO_hitech
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eltejano1 wrote:
I obviously don't know your specific circumstances, and you may be a rare individual who rides a motorcycle and never goes anywhere but work - but I'll bet my Social Security check you could!


I wouldn't make that bet. :W

No, I do not ride a motorcycle to work. I have in the past, but it is to dangerous. Time lost from work would not make up the price difference in gas. ๐Ÿ˜‰ I can't take the kids on a bike, and they need to be taken to school and day care. The car gets over 25mpg as it is, and that's hard to beat for highway mileage. ALL the other mileage together just doesn't amount to enough to make any real kind of difference. The biggest problem is that our employers want us at work. I guess they like to see our smiling faces. :W

stevenicoldeact
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TF36DSMatt wrote:
Does this chart look sustainable?



Matt,

I don't think that sustainability is the issue; I think that the question is in looking at the "trends." When it comes to a commodity like raw crude, there are a lot of additional factors that affect price of oil than there are that affect a corporate stocks like Google. For one, oil as a commodity follows a different set of rules, tax structures?; I don't know, maybe someone who's gone through that Series 6 thing (Broker Dealer License) will jump-in and explain how Fibonacci and Elliott's methods (5 wave swings) could accurate forecast the future price of raw crude.

My guess is that this chart is a display of an "upward correction;" then again, it's all just a bunch of hogwarsh, and even though it ain't true (I don't have any evidence to back such a claim) somebody is ripping us off..!:( How else can an upward correction be explained when supply can easily sustain current demand.

Regardless, it's time to break out the bumper-sticker from "the day:" Grass, Gas, or A*s no one rides for free! Time to start pickin' up riders to help pay for trips.

Skid_Row_Joe
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Gas goes up 96%, big deal.

I wouldn't choose to plant myself in a recliner drinking whiskey while staring at my cable TV, saying I couldn't afford to put gas in my truck sitting unused in the driveway. If anything, I'd quit drinking, unplug the TV and go to work instead....but that's just me.

Some of these strange "fuel stories" must be true, because fiction at least needs to make sense. :D:B

eltejano1
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I cannot cut mine by half without quitting my job. And


I obviously don't know your specific circumstances, and you may be a rare individual who rides a motorcycle and never goes anywhere but work - but I'll bet my Social Security check you could! It might not be fun, but think about it a little more and I'll bet you can find a way. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Jack

AO_hitech
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eltejano1 wrote:
This is so frustrating -- because there's absolutely no doubt that every American household could, admittedly with considerable inconvenience, cut their fuel consumption by 50% - more in many cases...I won't enumerate the myriad ways this can be done, but it CAN be done...


Just give us one. I'll bet that it is not cost effective, at todays gas prices, nor at double todays prices. I cannot cut mine by half without quitting my job. And that won't do any good what so ever...

Added:
We don't work in the same city, nor the same schedules. One of us drops the kids off at school and one picks them up. Without this day care would be unaffordable (we know, we did it differently in the past). We don't drive SUVs, and while my wife does drive a mini van, we can't afford to get rid of it for something that gets better mileage. My car already gets over 25mpg on the drive into work. Driving to work is what uses 90% of the gasoline we use. Unless our employers approve, there is no way to cut that back. If things get bad enough, maybe our employers will change their attitudes, but it hasn't happened yet.

eltejano1
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This is so frustratiing -- because there's absolutely no doubt that every american household could, admittedly with considerable inconvenience, cut their fuel consumption by 50% - more in many cases. In a matter of days, the oil industry would slash prices and be on their knees begging for mercy!

I won't enumerate the myriad ways this can be done, but it CAN be done. Just ask yourself - what if they rationed gas and I only got half of what I use now? I'll bet dollars to donuts you could still get to work, the doctor and the store! Everybody is wasting fuel - things like taking two cars into the city because you and the wife work different schedules. If things were REALLY tight she could just wait for you an hour.

No problem in cutting back 50% if we were motivated. The oil market would collapse.

Jack

mrjimboalaska
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eltejano1 wrote:
No matter how corrupt they are, however, they still have to sell their product. Even drug dealers don't want to hold-up their customers to the point that they kill the market - they want to wring every possible penny out of them, to be sure, but not force them into seeking rehab.

I think that analogy applies here - the only thing the crooked executives, whoever they may be, have to fear is consumer resistance. Sorry to keep harping on this - but what other realistic options do we have?

all recreational fuel guzzlers - planes, boats, rv's, Hummers, luxury cars - will be heavily taxed and socially discouraged, if not flat-out banned! That will be bill #1 if Congress decides to act after the election.



Jack

Well Jack,
Nationalizing our Oil Industry?
guess we might as well Nationalize ALL of our Industries(what's left, that is)
If it is Legislated to ban planes.rv's, boats to non existance, an being "SOCIALLY" unacceptable.......That is the day that I become ACTIVE in the seperatist movement. FREEDOM OF CHOICE is not to be Legislated, SOCIALISM sucks! and I will Fight it just like my father, grandfather, greatgrandfather etc. has done.

AO_hitech
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wing_zealot wrote:
Speculation - lots of speculation but very little hard evidence. Prices are high because Big Oil companies are closing refineries to lower the supply and drive up demand Prices are high because...



I didn't claim that the closing of refineries was the reason. I only disputed your claim that the government and environmentalists were part of the cause by stopping refinery expansion and new construction.

Supply and Demand cannot be the cause of the current spike. The demand just hasn't spiked anywhere high enough in relation to the price spike, nor has the supply lessened to anywhere near the level of the price spike.

The price is manipulated. There is enough evidence to convince me of that. How much that has to do with it I can't say, and I'll likely never know.