MEXICO STOPS US WITH TRUCK CAMPER!

[south-of-the-bo]

We have tried to get a tourist permit to enter our 1130 Lance Camper and Ford F350 pickup and we were refused a vehicle permit. They told us that no more truck campers and pickups over 1/2 T will be permitted. This type of vehicle is not permitted because of GVW (a law that has been in effect for years , but now being enforced)....
We have previously traveled for over 10 years with no problem. Motorhomes and trailers have no problems, only pick ups with campers. We feel sorry for all those traveling from the north and Canada, will be disappointed,

[briansue]

briansue, when looking at studies or scientific surveys you have to compare "apples to apples." The October 10th data only included Latin America and the Caribbean. Also, look at the criteria used based on that culture for defining "bribery."

I copied that long list in because the article said that was where they got their info from - and what the info was had to do with what they call "perception" of corruption. There is probably no way to know exactly what corruption goes on where. So this had to do with how the many countries of the world are "perceived". What conclusions can be drawn from all that I do not know.

A personal note - I have been going to Mexico since 1971 and have never ever been asked for "mordida" of any kind. I am not saying it does not exist but in my experience it does not appear to be as prevalent as we have been told.

[pezvela]

John & Angela wrote:

pezvela wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

GordonThree wrote:
OP Did you forget to include a few crisp bills when you handed over your ID and paperwork?

Wow, totally uncalled for comment and completely disrespectful of a neighboring country. Is that acceptable manners in your society? Moderator???

As a person who has lived in Mexico for the last nine years and traveled the country for about 50 years, I wouldn't say it's a "totally uncalled for.......comment". It IS the way it IS. Sure, it has diminished somewhat in the last few years, but it is still a very prevalent activity.

And if it is disrespectful, many Mexicans also engage in this means of getting government officials "working". They are disrespecting their own country, apparently.

What planet are you on? It's Mexico.

It's poor manners. If you don't get that, that's your problem.

Reality is often times an ill-mannered performance.

[DiskDoctr]

briansue wrote:
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/among-20-countries-mx-leads-for-bribery/


https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016

1 Denmark
1 New Zealand
3 Finland
4 Sweden
5 Switzerland
6 Norway
7 Singapore
8 Netherlands
9 Canada
10 Germany
10 Luxembourg
10 United Kingdom
13 Australia
14 Iceland
15 Belgium
15 Hong Kong
17 Austria
18 United States
19 Ireland
20 Japan
21 Uruguay
22 Estonia
23 France
24 Bahamas
24 Chile
24 United Arab Emirates
27 Bhutan
28 Israel
29 Poland
29 Portugal
31 Barbados
31 Qatar
31 Slovenia
31 Taiwan
35 Botswana
35 Saint Lucia
35 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
38 Cape Verde
38 Dominica
38 Lithuania
41 Brunei
41 Costa Rica
41 Spain
44 Georgia
44 Latvia
46 Grenada
47 Cyprus
47 Czech Republic
47 Malta
50 Mauritius
50 Rwanda
52 Korea (South)
53 Namibia
54 Slovakia
55 Croatia
55 Malaysia
57 Hungary
57 Jordan
57 Romania
60 Cuba
60 Italy
62 Sao Tome and Principe
62 Saudi Arabia
64 Montenegro
64 Oman
64 Senegal
64 South Africa
64 Suriname
69 Greece
70 Bahrain
70 Ghana
72 Burkina Faso
72 Serbia
72 Solomon Islands
75 Bulgaria
75 Kuwait
75 Tunisia
75 Turkey
79 Belarus
79 Brazil
79 China
79 India
83 Albania
83 Bosnia and Herzegovina
83 Jamaica
83 Lesotho
87 Mongolia
87 Panama
87 Zambia
90 Colombia
90 Indonesia
90 Liberia
90 Morocco
90 The FYR of Macedonia
95 Argentina
95 Benin
95 El Salvador
95 Kosovo
95 Maldives
95 Sri Lanka
101 Gabon
101 Niger
101 Peru
101 Philippines
101 Thailand
101 Timor-Leste
101 Trinidad and Tobago
108 Algeria
108 Côte d´Ivoire
108 Egypt
108 Ethiopia
108 Guyana
113 Armenia
113 Bolivia
113 Vietnam
116 Mali
116 Pakistan
116 Tanzania
116 Togo
120 Dominican Republic
120 Ecuador
120 Malawi
123 Azerbaijan
123 Djibouti
123 Honduras
123 Laos
123 Mexico
123 Moldova
123 Paraguay
123 Sierra Leone
131 Iran
131 Kazakhstan
131 Nepal
131 Russia
131 Ukraine
136 Guatemala
136 Kyrgyzstan
136 Lebanon
136 Myanmar
136 Nigeria
136 Papua New Guinea
142 Guinea
142 Mauritania
142 Mozambique
145 Bangladesh
145 Cameroon
145 Gambia
145 Kenya
145 Madagascar
145 Nicaragua
151 Tajikistan
151 Uganda
153 Comoros
154 Turkmenistan
154 Zimbabwe
156 Cambodia
156 Democratic Republic of Congo
156 Uzbekistan
159 Burundi
159 Central African Republic
159 Chad
159 Haiti
159 Republic of Congo
164 Angola
164 Eritrea
166 Iraq
166 Venezuela
168 Guinea-Bissau
169 Afghanistan
170 Libya
170 Sudan
170 Yemen
173 Syria
174 Korea (North)
175 South Sudan
176 Somalia

Obviously the list doesn't include politicians or DOJ or the US would be at the top. We have the best justice system money can buy 😞

[charlestonsouth]

briansue, when looking at studies or scientific surveys you have to compare "apples to apples." The October 10th data only included Latin America and the Caribbean. Also, look at the criteria used based on that culture for defining "bribery." Some Latin American and Caribbean cultures like to define it as gifts for extraordinary service. When we did not have our guide and driver with us on Fathers Day last June in Cuba, we made a few "gifts" to doormen and waiters to get extraordinary service for taxis, food, and wine, particularly when a bottle of Chilean wine magically appeared which before was unavailable.

[south-of-the-bo]

Back to the subject of the post - Pickup with Truck Campers Not Permitted into Mexico,

There was no attempt to give or was there a bribe indicated in this attempt to enter Mexico. I had entered Mexico many many times before with the Truck Camper and the permit was issued for 6 months, paying normal fees (abput $50) plus the tourist card (about $29).

I also have friends with campers who wish to know if they will be able to spend the winter months in Mexico, so I plan to go again with all the details of the campers, photos, and copies of the Mexico customs law with my old copies of the previous permits.

I will post any update information as I receive it.

[briansue]

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/among-20-countries-mx-leads-for-bribery/


https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016

1 Denmark
1 New Zealand
3 Finland
4 Sweden
5 Switzerland
6 Norway
7 Singapore
8 Netherlands
9 Canada
10 Germany
10 Luxembourg
10 United Kingdom
13 Australia
14 Iceland
15 Belgium
15 Hong Kong
17 Austria
18 United States
19 Ireland
20 Japan
21 Uruguay
22 Estonia
23 France
24 Bahamas
24 Chile
24 United Arab Emirates
27 Bhutan
28 Israel
29 Poland
29 Portugal
31 Barbados
31 Qatar
31 Slovenia
31 Taiwan
35 Botswana
35 Saint Lucia
35 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
38 Cape Verde
38 Dominica
38 Lithuania
41 Brunei
41 Costa Rica
41 Spain
44 Georgia
44 Latvia
46 Grenada
47 Cyprus
47 Czech Republic
47 Malta
50 Mauritius
50 Rwanda
52 Korea (South)
53 Namibia
54 Slovakia
55 Croatia
55 Malaysia
57 Hungary
57 Jordan
57 Romania
60 Cuba
60 Italy
62 Sao Tome and Principe
62 Saudi Arabia
64 Montenegro
64 Oman
64 Senegal
64 South Africa
64 Suriname
69 Greece
70 Bahrain
70 Ghana
72 Burkina Faso
72 Serbia
72 Solomon Islands
75 Bulgaria
75 Kuwait
75 Tunisia
75 Turkey
79 Belarus
79 Brazil
79 China
79 India
83 Albania
83 Bosnia and Herzegovina
83 Jamaica
83 Lesotho
87 Mongolia
87 Panama
87 Zambia
90 Colombia
90 Indonesia
90 Liberia
90 Morocco
90 The FYR of Macedonia
95 Argentina
95 Benin
95 El Salvador
95 Kosovo
95 Maldives
95 Sri Lanka
101 Gabon
101 Niger
101 Peru
101 Philippines
101 Thailand
101 Timor-Leste
101 Trinidad and Tobago
108 Algeria
108 Côte d´Ivoire
108 Egypt
108 Ethiopia
108 Guyana
113 Armenia
113 Bolivia
113 Vietnam
116 Mali
116 Pakistan
116 Tanzania
116 Togo
120 Dominican Republic
120 Ecuador
120 Malawi
123 Azerbaijan
123 Djibouti
123 Honduras
123 Laos
123 Mexico
123 Moldova
123 Paraguay
123 Sierra Leone
131 Iran
131 Kazakhstan
131 Nepal
131 Russia
131 Ukraine
136 Guatemala
136 Kyrgyzstan
136 Lebanon
136 Myanmar
136 Nigeria
136 Papua New Guinea
142 Guinea
142 Mauritania
142 Mozambique
145 Bangladesh
145 Cameroon
145 Gambia
145 Kenya
145 Madagascar
145 Nicaragua
151 Tajikistan
151 Uganda
153 Comoros
154 Turkmenistan
154 Zimbabwe
156 Cambodia
156 Democratic Republic of Congo
156 Uzbekistan
159 Burundi
159 Central African Republic
159 Chad
159 Haiti
159 Republic of Congo
164 Angola
164 Eritrea
166 Iraq
166 Venezuela
168 Guinea-Bissau
169 Afghanistan
170 Libya
170 Sudan
170 Yemen
173 Syria
174 Korea (North)
175 South Sudan
176 Somalia

[charlestonsouth]

Wish I could cut and paste the following, but it is easy to Google from the following informations:

Mexico News Daily, Tuesday, October 10, 2017 entitled "Among 20 countries, MX leads for bribery"

Of course, when I read conclusions, surveys, or studies, I look at the sources of the data very carefully; never accept conclusions at face value without considering the sources.

[John___Angela]

pezvela wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

GordonThree wrote:
OP Did you forget to include a few crisp bills when you handed over your ID and paperwork?

Wow, totally uncalled for comment and completely disrespectful of a neighboring country. Is that acceptable manners in your society? Moderator???

As a person who has lived in Mexico for the last nine years and traveled the country for about 50 years, I wouldn't say it's a "totally uncalled for.......comment". It IS the way it IS. Sure, it has diminished somewhat in the last few years, but it is still a very prevalent activity.

And if it is disrespectful, many Mexicans also engage in this means of getting government officials "working". They are disrespecting their own country, apparently.

What planet are you on? It's Mexico.

It's poor manners. If you don't get that, that's your problem.

[charlestonsouth]

X2; that IS funny!

[navegator]

MR: Moisheh

That is funny!


navegator

[moisheh]

We were discussing corruption with a Mexican the other day. He explained that on most lists Mexico is not number one. BUT that is because someone paid mordida to get further down the list!

Moisheh

[navegator]

Actually Mexico is the No 1 country in question of corruption when it comes to bribing government officials, there is a study of some kind or the other and it was published in the internet a few days ago, but there is a way to hand a bribe, there is fineness in the way it is done, you do not hand the bills out right, you ask if there is a way to remedy the situation, then they let you know how much, it is then that you either hand them some more documents with the bills covered up or you palm it in a hand shake, not in the open that is not nice for everyone to see, there is an art to it.

There is bribery in the USA also all you have to do is walk the halls of Congress, or any State Capitol Building and watch the lobbyists bribe the law makers, in Mexico the bribes are done in pesos and in the USA they are in Dollars that is the difference.

navegator

[pezvela]

John & Angela wrote:

GordonThree wrote:
OP Did you forget to include a few crisp bills when you handed over your ID and paperwork?

Wow, totally uncalled for comment and completely disrespectful of a neighboring country. Is that acceptable manners in your society? Moderator???

As a person who has lived in Mexico for the last nine years and traveled the country for about 50 years, I wouldn't say it's a "totally uncalled for.......comment". It IS the way it IS. Sure, it has diminished somewhat in the last few years, but it is still a very prevalent activity.

And if it is disrespectful, many Mexicans also engage in this means of getting government officials "working". They are disrespecting their own country, apparently.

What planet are you on? It's Mexico.

[John___Angela]

GordonThree wrote:
OP Did you forget to include a few crisp bills when you handed over your ID and paperwork?

Wow, totally uncalled for comment and completely disrespectful of a neighboring country. Is that acceptable manners in your society? Moderator???