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Now I have just heard about using ammonia to power cars and trucks for the first time. There are a lot of smart people working on energy solutions in the US. EVs might be okay, but the real solutions are probably out there in the formative stages.
I have a certain warm fuzzy feeling that diesel technology will still be relevant well after I am gone.
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time2roll
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Grit dog wrote:time2roll wrote:Grit dog wrote:Well GM just sunk a boatload of $ into the next gen V8 engine and about 10% of that boatload into EVs….
Which has nothing to do with the yuppie Lightning guy video, but whatever. Maybe the V8 remake is getting a bit too expensive.
The 10% spent on an EV might make the same sales and profit as the boatload spent on continuing the V8.
You know I thought about that too. Then I realized that as a for profit company, it is highly likely that they are trying to maximize profit from both sectors and believe the $ invested to be appropriate for the expected return. No sense in nonsensical speculating as you’ve done. Yes it is all speculation. My take is that a person should not assume that a 10x expenditure is resulting in 10x the vehicles and profit.
My post is about perspective. So as not to assume GM is seemingly doing very little in the EV space just because there is an announcement on the capital being spent is much lower.
Otherwise it is easy to assume EVs will fade away and I believe that is just wishful thinking for many people and industries.
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^No matter how you try to put the Cali spin on it, no one, myself included, said or even alluded to EVs fading away. Nor minimized or assumed GMs path forward with EVs.
But merely stated that it if a Company (GM in this case) is supposedly dropping almost a billion $ (idk if that’s the right number anymore than you or anyone short of a Company employee who knows the actual financials and not just the press releases) to develop a new line of big ICE engines in the face of electrification expanding relatively rapidly combined with the political pressure to do so, WITH a pretty powerful and efficient line that would require no $ besides just continue pumping them out, then apparently any Real plans to eliminate ICE in light/med duty lines is wholly not a reality.
But good try….
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I don't think anyone assumes EV's are going away. However, I think a lot of people believe EV's are not going to be the panacea that some people assume they will be.
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nickthehunter wrote:I don't think anyone assumes EV's are going away. However, I think a lot of people believe EV's are not going to be the panacea that some people assume they will be.
Last time I bought new Silverado I paid 23g.
Until Tesla lowers the price way more Im keepin my truck bit longer.
And judging by huge demand for Tesla even w their 4 giga factories going full speed it wont be any time soon.
Dont care for any other EVs their quality just isnt there and never will be when CEO doesnt know what goes on down the line or hires incompetent enginers.
https://youtu.be/0zjiMC2GT1M
Tesla sucess is bc Musk knows every detail of its cars production and isnt scared to get down to asembly line to improve things.
I remember people laughing at him sleeping in the factory.
Well look who is laughing now
https://youtu.be/9vFInzaFi6o
EV advantage is obvious,no stinky exhaust kiling and makin people sick but also lack of usual maintanance,oil changes etc.
Electric motor will last forever and bateries at least milion miles.
Ev motor is 99% eficient,and has only one moving part,
no ICEngine can come anywhere near that.
Cant stop progress and evolution,that simple.
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But get ready for hydrogen, ammonia and maybe fusion powered cars.
The best solutions may not even be on the drawing board yet.
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^And that makes a world of sense. Because u know whose cars are apparently a combination of too expensive and not reliable enough? Lucid.
I happened to see 1 one uno Lucid in the recent past here in the land of organic granola EVs and yuppie status EVs. Haven’t seen one in the wild ever before.
Today I passed the Lucid dealer for the first time ever. Absolutely FULL of new cars in the lot. Honda dealer across the road, 3/4 empty…
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map40
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Ford and GM's cash cow it is and will be big ICEs for quite some time. The both are retiring from the car market because the competition is too tough and they own the truck and SUVs markets (I am not saying they are the best, just saying that is where they make money).
EVs will most likely thrive in the car market but will never take it over 100% because the technology can't compete with ICEs in every case.
A company that sells close to $400M per day (Ford and GM do) has to invest in keeping their cash cow alive. Comparing the EV investment to a new ICE power platform is like comparing buying a scratch-off to investing in your 401K...
EVs are not the final solution, but has the potential of reducing oil dependency (you can generate electricity in a lot of different ways). That alone is enough to justify it's existence.
Alternative technologies will come, but I still believe that they will be successfully only when they are cheaper/more convenient than the existing technology.
Last week I saw the latest hybrid-hydraulic car, and they have been working on that for a decade. It works great, but so far is, like so many other technologies, just a possible future solution, much like hydrogen, CNG, and others
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Silverado now starts at 70,000
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free radical wrote:
Dont care for any other EVs their quality just isnt there and never will be when CEO doesnt know what goes on down the line or hires incompetent enginers.
I agree with what you wrote except this. Tesla quality is knowned for being sub par on everything besides the EV components.
I have owned several EVs and modified/redesigned a ton of them and I can tell you that Teslas are neither the best quality nor the best design. The simply created the business. For example, BMW i3's have proven to have better quality than Tesla, and for some people (like me) is the perfect vehicle. Cheaper and more convenient than any other alternative, but of course, that is my case.
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