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wa8yxm

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Posted: 09/16/22 02:38pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well my only gripe about EV's..

Can't afford one.


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Posted: 09/16/22 03:37pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I just traded in my 2020 Bolt EV for a 2022 Bolt EUV Premier. My loaded EUV (everything but supercruise) was $31k out the door in MI with 6% tax. I could have bought a Equinox for about the same price.


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midnightsadie wrote:

not me ,were being used as a testing ground ,don,t see china pushing ev,s.


I don't know what China is pushing, and don't really care. I was always told the US should lead. And I bet EVs sold in C are a higher percentage than in US.
Would also bet China has fewer cars per person than US, and the average person travels fewer miles in car than US.
As for the testing ground, think diesels have been doing that already.


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Personally I take issue with tax credits for EV's, or anything else FWIW. If they're so great they can stand on their own merits, no incentives needed at someone else's expense. The government does not generate any money so the credit is payed for by other taxpayers.


But for over a century the tax payers have been helping the oil industry. And as a population, even the people that don't much use cars are paying the cost of climate harm.




wa8yxm wrote:

Well my only gripe about EV's..

Can't afford one.


My biggest complaint is development has been blocked for so long. If advancements made in last 10 years had been done 17 years ago I would have 1 in driveway.

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Posted: 09/17/22 03:10am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

At my age EV'S don't make financial sense. I hope my current vehicle's will have fuel available for them until I can no longer drive. I'm sure battery technology and range will improve with time. From what I've read they aren't any more environmentally friendly currently then fossil fuels. I'm sure that will change as well. Nothing in life is constant everything changes eventually, like it or not.

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Dadoffourgirls wrote:

I just traded in my 2020 Bolt EV for a 2022 Bolt EUV Premier. My loaded EUV (everything but supercruise) was $31k out the door in MI with 6% tax. I could have bought a Equinox for about the same price.
You forgot to mention you get a substantial discount because you work for GM.

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THe problem with averages is that they are easily skewed by outliers when there's a small sample size, a fact from commonplace Statistics 101. The sample here is 40. I would suggest that you rely instead on the median. (The mode probably won't work because, again, of the small sample.) The median would be a bit over $47k.

But even the median is probably mistating things. To get a feel for what people really pay -- and here you can use the average again -- you'd want to take this chart and multiply each entry by the number of units sold in a year, 2021 in this case.

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Average EV price $66000


* This post was edited 09/17/22 07:36am by eubank *


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I just like to call out it's a bunch of smoke and mirrors and a lot of Barbra Streisand.


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PButler96 wrote:

Personally I take issue with tax credits for EV's, or anything else FWIW.
You haven't thought this through. Tax incentives encourage all sorts of stuff including home mortgages and having kids. As others have mentioned, oil has been subsidized for over a hundred years, both directly and indirectly. Military spending in the otherwise irrelevant Middle East is the obvious example. Move away from this demographically homogeneous echo chamber and you'll find people are interested and optimistic about the future of EVs.

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Posted: 09/17/22 09:34am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The internet brought us too much misinformation by way of several thousand videos,...produced by amateurs. We need more people with analytical minds, and who have knowledge of basic physics.


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^^^^I agree. There are folks who are educated and know stuff and there are TV and internet "personalities" whose lack of knowledge doesn't restrain them in any way from flapping their mouths. I know which group I'll look to for guidance.

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