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am1958

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Posted: 03/24/20 05:08am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

DallasSteve wrote:

Lantley wrote:

DallasSteve wrote:

1duckie4u wrote:

As an individual, you are not entitled to make the decision for the rest of us that you should be allowed to put our lives at risk for your "right" to roam the country as you wish. Stay healthy and help others stay healthy.

Society doesn't care how its decisions negatively affect me, but I'm supposed to care how my decisions negatively affect society.

When it's potentially life or death scenario for someone else in society, yes you should care!
Your either part of the problem or part of the solution


Kidnapping is one of the most heinous crimes in society (your precious society). When I was a child the punishment for kidnapping in many states was death. It was on a level with murder and rightly so, in my opinion.

My wife has been effectively kidnapped by society. She can not return to the USA from Colombia for at least 30 days and maybe forever, if that's what "society" wants. She has the legal right to return to the USA but because of a decree by the President of Colombia she can not leave that country right now. I might say there is some argument for this action if they said "If someone wants to travel they must first take a virus test and if they fail the test they can't travel." But that's not what they did. They just cancelled her return flight and the return of everyone else.

You may say, 'It's not kidnapping.' And legally you are right. Society makes the law. But Society makes mistakes. Once Society said you could own slaves. Then they changed their minds. Right and wrong did not change. Society was wrong. Once they said 'No abortion', now they say 'Abortion on demand.' Society has to be wrong with one of those. They can't both be right. And just because society says 'We want to do this and we can do this.' that doesn't make it right. Might does not make right.

She has been effectively kidnapped by society for its selfish reasons. Society doesn't care about her (or me), only itself. Therefore, there is no moral reason why I should care about what is in society's best interest. You're not responsible for my life. I'm not responsible for your life. If a virus comes along and it gets spread by normal activities that does not give society any moral right to take away the freedoms of others for its selfish cowardly reasons. Fact.

So don't try to take the moral high ground with me, because you don't have it.
A cogent argument eloquently stated... I applaud you Sir...

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Posted: 03/24/20 05:35am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

“Who is **** supposed to even see you with your hair all done in a casket? Do you understand the casket will be closed?”

I actually did laugh for a second, then the tears came.

* This post was edited 03/25/20 12:33pm by an administrator/moderator *


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am1958 wrote:

DallasSteve wrote:

Lantley wrote:

DallasSteve wrote:

1duckie4u wrote:

As an individual, you are not entitled to make the decision for the rest of us that you should be allowed to put our lives at risk for your "right" to roam the country as you wish. Stay healthy and help others stay healthy.

Society doesn't care how its decisions negatively affect me, but I'm supposed to care how my decisions negatively affect society.

When it's potentially life or death scenario for someone else in society, yes you should care!
Your either part of the problem or part of the solution


Kidnapping is one of the most heinous crimes in society (your precious society). When I was a child the punishment for kidnapping in many states was death. It was on a level with murder and rightly so, in my opinion.

My wife has been effectively kidnapped by society. She can not return to the USA from Colombia for at least 30 days and maybe forever, if that's what "society" wants. She has the legal right to return to the USA but because of a decree by the President of Colombia she can not leave that country right now. I might say there is some argument for this action if they said "If someone wants to travel they must first take a virus test and if they fail the test they can't travel." But that's not what they did. They just cancelled her return flight and the return of everyone else.

You may say, 'It's not kidnapping.' And legally you are right. Society makes the law. But Society makes mistakes. Once Society said you could own slaves. Then they changed their minds. Right and wrong did not change. Society was wrong. Once they said 'No abortion', now they say 'Abortion on demand.' Society has to be wrong with one of those. They can't both be right. And just because society says 'We want to do this and we can do this.' that doesn't make it right. Might does not make right.

She has been effectively kidnapped by society for its selfish reasons. Society doesn't care about her (or me), only itself. Therefore, there is no moral reason why I should care about what is in society's best interest. You're not responsible for my life. I'm not responsible for your life. If a virus comes along and it gets spread by normal activities that does not give society any moral right to take away the freedoms of others for its selfish cowardly reasons. Fact.

So don't try to take the moral high ground with me, because you don't have it.
A cogent argument eloquently stated... I applaud you Sir...

Comparing a shutter in place order or a travel ban to a kidnapping is silly. There are plenty of people required to stay in their own homes. Does that mean their kidnapped too.
Should we just let everyone travel freely and let the virus spread at its maximum rate and overwhelm the health system. Which will ultimately cause maximum virus induced deaths.
This is deeper than kidnapping and loss of freedom.
This is about death. This is about lives being taken away not freedom. Despite how uncomfortable or unpleasant staying in place can be it is a far cry from death.
Should people die in order to let others make it home?
At the end of it all freedom can be restored however lost lives cannot.
So we can all stamp are feet and pound are fist and deal with the frustration of confinement wherever you are, knowing that your sacrifice, compliance and suffering is saving the life of someone


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Posted: 03/24/20 06:39am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Posted: 03/24/20 07:03am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Everyone who has had a flight cancelled recently is now a kidnap victim? (They can't go where they want to, when they want to)

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Posted: 03/24/20 12:40pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Just wait - that's all I have to say. Oh - and please don't consume chemicals for cleaning fish tanks even though someone told you that its a cure. Good luck


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