New Fuzion touch screen?

[schwipps324]

Looking at a new Fuzion 424. Really turned off by the new touch screen controls. Anybody had any experience with the touch screen? And thoughts comments and concerns?

[dedmiston]

CampingN.C. wrote:
Dude relax...

I agree.

[CampingN_C_]

Dude relax, I'm just saying they are wired better than the standard that's all. I've looked at them closely, and not just on the dealers lot. My new 2018 Jayco has the standard crappy crimp on connectors that are barely crimped but that's simply not the case on the Fuzions.

[98silvz71]

CampingN.C. wrote:
I don't own one but we have, and still are looking at one. The new Fuzions are one of the few campers out there that are using a structured wiring program. Everything is color coded, unlike 99% of all campers, and wired to a central box. Inside that box are all circuits, labeled with manual override switches in case something goes wrong on the panel.

It's not just another camper wired with a touch screen. The whole unit is all but built around the wiring. It was a big selling point for us actually and still is.

The wiring in my Jayco however, well that's a different story. :S

We just went to a camper show over the weekend. We saw a lot of campers that we liked or features we liked etc. However, when we got to checking some of these campers out in detail, we started to get nervous with them. A lot of them had their wiring just thrown in, nothing was neat about it, just a mess. Others, like the couple of Keystones we looked at, had much neater wiring, everything was secured, etc. I don't remember the other brands that we had looked at but I do remember the Keystones were cleaner.

[Ralph_Cramden]

CampingN.C. wrote:
I don't own one but we have, and still are looking at one. The new Fuzions are one of the few campers out there that are using a structured wiring program. Everything is color coded, unlike 99% of all campers, and wired to a central box. Inside that box are all circuits, labeled with manual override switches in case something goes wrong on the panel.

It's not just another camper wired with a touch screen. The whole unit is all but built around the wiring. It was a big selling point for us actually and still is.

The wiring in my Jayco however, well that's a different story. :S

Believe what you want to believe :h Personally I am sure they're building the entire rig around the wiring harnesses LOL. Actually sounds like a lot of marketing hype which Keystone is known for.

"Makes it easy to trace electrical circuits and save troubleshooting time"? Why do you need to troubleshoot such great wiring would be my question. I guess our Rockwood is in the 1% also with its color coded wiring, even the RG6 coax runs are different colors.

[CampingN_C_]

I don't own one but we have, and still are looking at one. The new Fuzions are one of the few campers out there that are using a structured wiring program. Everything is color coded, unlike 99% of all campers, and wired to a central box. Inside that box are all circuits, labeled with manual override switches in case something goes wrong on the panel.

It's not just another camper wired with a touch screen. The whole unit is all but built around the wiring. It was a big selling point for us actually and still is.

The wiring in my Jayco however, well that's a different story. :S

[Ralph_Cramden]

D.E.Bishop wrote:


Touch screens are for the most part very reliable and will only get better.

For the most part, but that touchscreen has to be tied into a control panel with some type of relay for every circuit / fixture. That requires a lot more wiring, even more so if they installed back up switches. With more wiring comes more connectors crimped on by some person whose goal is to get as many done in as short as time as possible, so he can go home and slop the hogs. Most of these manufacturers can not even get wiring up two cheap speakers correct and people want them installing automation systems?

Add to that the system is made or distributed by Furrion(associated with LCI), ASA, or Patrick Industries, none of which are known for producing state of the art rock solid electronic components, but mostly cheap imported junk.

[Mmaxed]

Ralph Cramden wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
Considering how often things go wrong with these things, extra complexity is not usually a good and desirable thing.

Have to agree. Because if you pull that touch screen or look at its control / relay board, which will be buried in the least accessible location possible, it will look like this.




With the use of scotchlocks, crimp connectors, wire nuts, and in a lot of cases a good twist and tape by some amish guy getting paid piecework, all done in 15 minutes, who was hired through the staffing agency, you're lucky if the brake and other wiring to conventional switches and such does not fail as time goes on. Let alone introducing more complexity.

But if you absolutely need that tech...have at it.

How did you get a pic of the wiring in my rig?

Amazing anything works when you see what a mess is in there.

[JAC1982]

schwipps324 wrote:

JAC1982 wrote:
We don't have the touch screen in our Impact, but our neighbor does in his Fuzion. Seems pretty cool so far. I think the best part about it is you can access it all from your mobile device. So, we were camping with them last weekend, and he wanted to turn on a light inside for his dog, so he just did it from his phone versus having to get up and do it. Same w/ controlling the sound system. Now, some may call it lazy, but I thought it was neat. 🙂

I'm glad they are liking it. How long have they had it? I'm looking to see if this is a durable system or not. I think its a cool concept but what happens when that touch screen goes out? Can i even turn a light on at that point

Theirs is a 2017, they've had it a little over a year. Not sure on the override for if the screen goes out.

[fj12ryder]

Touchscreens rarely work better than buttons, and you can't simply replace a button when one part of the touchscreen quits working correctly. Sometimes newer isn't better, sometimes it's just newer.

[Highlander350h]

cfdwheeler wrote:
The Grand Design Momentums are still using the OneControl touch screens. I cannot speak for their Solitude line.

I have a buddy of mine that just purchased a 2018 Momentum toyhauler and it has this touchscreen in it. At first they thought it was great but now that they have had it a while they are wishing it had button (real button) controls in it.

[D_E_Bishop]

When we were young newly weds(over 50 years ago), we took a roll of dimes with us to make phone calls to the out-laws every few days. Now we text, email and as a last resort, phone someone using our cell phones.

To quote Bob Dillon, "the times they are a changin".

A side effect of the "space race" and the "cold war" was, massive changes in electronics and adapting military/space technology to things like adapting missle guidance systems to driving, or the GPS, that and other military/nasa inovation.

Touch screens are for the most part very reliable and will only get better.

[Ralph_Cramden]

fj12ryder wrote:
Considering how often things go wrong with these things, extra complexity is not usually a good and desirable thing.

Have to agree. Because if you pull that touch screen or look at its control / relay board, which will be buried in the least accessible location possible, it will look like this.




With the use of scotchlocks, crimp connectors, wire nuts, and in a lot of cases a good twist and tape by some amish guy getting paid piecework, all done in 15 minutes, who was hired through the staffing agency, you're lucky if the brake and other wiring to conventional switches and such does not fail as time goes on. Let alone introducing more complexity.

But if you absolutely need that tech...have at it.

[Aridon]

Momentums have them but have backup switches for most everything.

[azdryheat]

I see many of the trailers with the InCommand feature. I like the Bluetooth feature allowing trailer control from a smartphone. That might be real handy while setting up during a rain storm, for example. You could stay in the TV and kick out the slides, turn on the lights, and put out the awning while staying dry.