mkirsch
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wjlapier wrote:I find it interesting that when a manufacturer mentions max payload they don’t say anything about rear axle ratings, tires and rims.
That's what they're talking about where it says "properly equipped." It's hard to spend 5 minutes prattling on about axles, tires, and rims in a 15-second commercial.
"Facebook Guy" went by the maximum payload in the advertisement not realizing his truck was not "properly equipped" and ended up with a broken frame. Despite the fact that he was under the axle manufacturer's rating on the rear axle.
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mkirsch wrote:wjlapier wrote:I find it interesting that when a manufacturer mentions max payload they don’t say anything about rear axle ratings, tires and rims.
That's what they're talking about where it says "properly equipped." It's hard to spend 5 minutes prattling on about axles, tires, and rims in a 15-second commercial.
"Facebook Guy" went by the maximum payload in the advertisement not realizing his truck was not "properly equipped" and ended up with a broken frame. Despite the fact that he was under the axle manufacturer's rating on the rear axle.
That’s what I was eluding to. Try to tell the manufacturer that even though you were over the sticker payload you were in fact under the rawr and see if they will accept your claim to fix the truck under warranty.
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wjlapier wrote:mkirsch wrote:wjlapier wrote:I find it interesting that when a manufacturer mentions max payload they don’t say anything about rear axle ratings, tires and rims.
That's what they're talking about where it says "properly equipped." It's hard to spend 5 minutes prattling on about axles, tires, and rims in a 15-second commercial.
"Facebook Guy" went by the maximum payload in the advertisement not realizing his truck was not "properly equipped" and ended up with a broken frame. Despite the fact that he was under the axle manufacturer's rating on the rear axle.
That’s what I was eluding to. Try to tell the manufacturer that even though you were over the sticker payload you were in fact under the rawr and see if they will accept your claim to fix the truck under warranty.
You guys are not on the same page. There is a big difference in axle mfg rating and the truck mfg rawr.
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JIMNLIN wrote:
You guys are not on the same page. There is a big difference in axle mfg rating and the truck mfg rawr.
The wheels and tires almost always define the overall CCC and load ratings for each axle.
For a SWR truck, depending on the exact size, tires will have a load rating of about 3500#, 7000# for both tires. The base weight of the truck will be about 3500# on the rear axle, leaving about that same amount for cargo. That means a SWR truck can carry a relatively light hardsided camper in the base weight range of about 2000#. Again that means a relatively light rig, no slides, and no more than about an 8 or 9 foot camper.
A larger camper with a slide or slides is almost certainly going to require a DWR truck and the heavier camper models even exceed that capacity.
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Quote:For a SWR truck, depending on the exact size, tires will have a load rating of about 3500#, 7000# for both tires. The base weight of the truck will be about 3500# on the rear axle, leaving about that same amount for cargo.
Yeah...some seem to think those big 4000- 44xx lb payload stickers on some 350/3500 srw trucks is what we use for carrying a truck camper/heavy GN or 5th wheel hitch loads....and ignore the trucks rawrs. Those big payload sticker numbers come from the newer gen high gvwr's but the truck mfg's are still using older gen 7k-ish truck mfg rawr.
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Now the Jim’s are talking in circles….
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JimK-NY wrote:JIMNLIN wrote:
You guys are not on the same page. There is a big difference in axle mfg rating and the truck mfg rawr.
The wheels and tires almost always define the overall CCC and load ratings for each axle.
For a SWR truck, depending on the exact size, tires will have a load rating of about 3500#, 7000# for both tires. The base weight of the truck will be about 3500# on the rear axle, leaving about that same amount for cargo. That means a SWR truck can carry a relatively light hardsided camper in the base weight range of about 2000#. Again that means a relatively light rig, no slides, and no more than about an 8 or 9 foot camper.
A larger camper with a slide or slides is almost certainly going to require a DWR truck and the heavier camper models even exceed that capacity.
that depends also on the truck, for examble mine came with the heavy GVWR option which included different tires and such and a higher rear axel weight and when scaled I have about 4300lbs of room on my rear axel on a single rear wheel. granted my same truck in a dually would probably have 7 to 8000lbs. that leave me at about a 3000 to 3300 lb base weight I would probably be ok going up to 3500lbs but thats me and I know how I pack when I go camping. I don't know if it is different in the US but the name plates here will state, the caper weighs 3230lbs when containing 35 gal of water and two 20lbs bottles of propane. now that dosen't include the weight of options, or batteries though, so so you have to look at that. so the one camper I am looking at is 3375 lbs but that weight does include the water, propane, refridgerant and all factory installed options. so if I on average take about 300lbs of stuff (food, lawn chairs, axe, cloths and supplies.. ) so I should still be about 500lbs under minus what ever the batteries weight. right now I have a 10.5 foot which is a older light one so its 2600lbs when full of water, propane, refridgerant.... and with all my stuff loaded in it and the old 6V batteries I had in it, I was about 3100lbs heavier when empty on the scales.
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oliver 550 wrote:We are looking to potentially buy a Host Tahoe SB. This TC is specifically for a Short Bed so I was wondering which 3500/350 non dually will fit the bill. Host says it would weigh a little over 4k with the options plus our own "stuff". I would like to add a I know many of the 3500/350 have 11500 GVWR but I am not sure what the real weights of these trucks are. I would think it will have to be a gasser to have the weight capacity although I really would like it to be a diesel if there is one that will work. Does anyone know which truck may have the available weight capacity for this?
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You want a drw Ram 3500 . The stopping power isn't the same between a drw and a srw . Rubber alone you have 6 tires vs 4 .
I own a turbocharged gmt400 chevy with 383 h/c/i a 89 w350 ram 5.9 diesel drw a compound charged 5.9 01 ram 2500 diesel srw and a 08 6.7 diesel ram 3500 drw.with air suspension You want a common rail ram. I've owned allot of trucks in my life. Towed allot . The best setup for what you want is a drw ram with cummins engine preferable the common rail but even a 12v with air suspension is a great truck. You can feel the difference between a srw and a drw . In my opinion a diesel is a must.
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Mrich0908 wrote:oliver 550 wrote:We are looking to potentially buy a Host Tahoe SB. This TC is specifically for a Short Bed so I was wondering which 3500/350 non dually will fit the bill. Host says it would weigh a little over 4k with the options plus our own "stuff". I would like to add a I know many of the 3500/350 have 11500 GVWR but I am not sure what the real weights of these trucks are. I would think it will have to be a gasser to have the weight capacity although I really would like it to be a diesel if there is one that will work. Does anyone know which truck may have the available weight capacity for this?
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You want a drw Ram 3500 . The stopping power isn't the same between a drw and a srw . Rubber alone you have 6 tires vs 4 .
I own a turbocharged gmt400 chevy with 383 h/c/i a 89 w350 ram 5.9 diesel drw a compound charged 5.9 01 ram 2500 diesel srw and a 08 6.7 diesel ram 3500 drw.with air suspension You want a common rail ram. I've owned allot of trucks in my life. Towed allot . The best setup for what you want is a drw ram with cummins engine preferable the common rail but even a 12v with air suspension is a great truck. You can feel the difference between a srw and a drw . In my opinion a diesel is a must.
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Reality Check wrote:Mrich0908 wrote:oliver 550 wrote:We are looking to potentially buy a Host Tahoe SB. This TC is specifically for a Short Bed so I was wondering which 3500/350 non dually will fit the bill. Host says it would weigh a little over 4k with the options plus our own "stuff". I would like to add a I know many of the 3500/350 have 11500 GVWR but I am not sure what the real weights of these trucks are. I would think it will have to be a gasser to have the weight capacity although I really would like it to be a diesel if there is one that will work. Does anyone know which truck may have the available weight capacity for this?
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You want a drw Ram 3500 . The stopping power isn't the same between a drw and a srw . Rubber alone you have 6 tires vs 4 .
I own a turbocharged gmt400 chevy with 383 h/c/i a 89 w350 ram 5.9 diesel drw a compound charged 5.9 01 ram 2500 diesel srw and a 08 6.7 diesel ram 3500 drw.with air suspension You want a common rail ram. I've owned allot of trucks in my life. Towed allot . The best setup for what you want is a drw ram with cummins engine preferable the common rail but even a 12v with air suspension is a great truck. You can feel the difference between a srw and a drw . In my opinion a diesel is a must.
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You beat me to it!
But on the upside, this could be a good start to the 6 tires vs 4 again!! Lol
Game on!
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