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Lantley wrote:Since I'm still waiting on Ford to come clean on the 6.0 PSD debacle or even own up to the fuel system warranty claim denials. Does anyone rember member Ricatic's story?
I will wait for Ford to announce that the 7.3 Godzilla may have a problem. Because I know I can count on Ford to own up to their mistakes! I remember it well.
Ric and I used to get into some heavy brand debates. I have never seen as strong of a brand loyalist as him.
When Ford denied him warranty, I took no pleasure in it... Firstly because I don't kick a man when he is down. Secondly because the truth is that even though we all may have our brand that we like,,, we are all at the mercy of these huge corporations. They have deeper pockets than any of us and more/better lawyers as well. And though one brand may be of a mind to treat their customers right than another a change in the board room can quickly change that.
I posted a similar message back then, and it led to Ric and I becoming friends, even talking on the phone, not just the forums. He's a good guy. It has been awhile since we talked, and I hope he is doing OK...And I hope Ford steps up and takes care of their customers that are impacted by this issue
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Huntindog wrote:Lantley wrote:Since I'm still waiting on Ford to come clean on the 6.0 PSD debacle or even own up to the fuel system warranty claim denials. Does anyone rember member Ricatic's story?
I will wait for Ford to announce that the 7.3 Godzilla may have a problem. Because I know I can count on Ford to own up to their mistakes! I remember it well.
Ric and I used to get into some heavy brand debates. I have never seen as strong of a brand loyalist as him.
When Ford denied him warranty, I took no pleasure in it... Firstly because I don't kick a man when he is down. Secondly because the truth is that even though we all may have our brand that we like,,, we are all at the mercy of these huge corporations. They have deeper pockets than any of us and more/better lawyers as well. And though one brand may be of a mind to treat their customers right than another a change in the board room can quickly change that.
I posted a similar message back then, and it led to Ric and I becoming friends, even talking on the phone, not just the forums. He's a good guy. It has been awhile since we talked, and I hope he is doing OK...And I hope Ford steps up and takes care of their customers that are impacted by this issue
If I remember he said that will be the last Ford he will own. I do know he went on quite the crusade against ford for quite some time . Didn't he finally get his insurance to foot the bill ? It was like 10-12K for the repair ?
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Bionic Man wrote:Glad we can always count on the Ford Marketing Arm on RV.net to change the subject and deflect to a claim of problems of other manufacturers. Some things are as predictable as death and taxes. Nothing to see here…..
lol right?
Like Fish pretending to not understand what “come clean” means?
For a while he mellowed out or normalized. Now it’s like Fish V2.F (F is for ford!)
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rhagfo wrote:fj12ryder wrote:We have a single yewtoob video and now Ford engines are falling out of the sky. You guys do realize these people get paid by the view. No news, no drama, no views, no money.
I more or less ask the question earlier as to how big of issue is this?
Is poor engineering and are materials not strong enough, or is a bad batch of cams or lifters? What is failing first the lifter or the cam, one bad surface will damage the surface it rides on.
IMO, this isn't necessarily an "either/or" materials issue. There are many other factors which will slowly play out as the facts (from more failed engines, not RV.net comments) present themselves. There is some evidence that the failing engines have spent a lot of time at idle where the oil pressure is very low compared to normal driving. Extreme pressure wear additives in oil have also recently changed. The camshafts and roller lifters are one of the most highly stressed friction points in internal combustion engines which is where the failures occur. Let's see where the EVIDENCE leads us.
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Huntindog
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cummins2014 wrote:Huntindog wrote:Lantley wrote:Since I'm still waiting on Ford to come clean on the 6.0 PSD debacle or even own up to the fuel system warranty claim denials. Does anyone rember member Ricatic's story?
I will wait for Ford to announce that the 7.3 Godzilla may have a problem. Because I know I can count on Ford to own up to their mistakes! I remember it well.
Ric and I used to get into some heavy brand debates. I have never seen as strong of a brand loyalist as him.
When Ford denied him warranty, I took no pleasure in it... Firstly because I don't kick a man when he is down. Secondly because the truth is that even though we all may have our brand that we like,,, we are all at the mercy of these huge corporations. They have deeper pockets than any of us and more/better lawyers as well. And though one brand may be of a mind to treat their customers right than another a change in the board room can quickly change that.
I posted a similar message back then, and it led to Ric and I becoming friends, even talking on the phone, not just the forums. He's a good guy. It has been awhile since we talked, and I hope he is doing OK...And I hope Ford steps up and takes care of their customers that are impacted by this issue
If I remember he said that will be the last Ford he will own. I do know he went on quite the crusade against ford for quite some time . Didn't he finally get his insurance to foot the bill ? It was like 10-12K for the repair ?
Yes on the insurance. Then he got a 2008 Duramax.
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Chum lee wrote:IMO, this isn't necessarily an "either/or" materials issue. There are many other factors which will slowly play out as the facts (from more failed engines, not RV.net comments) present themselves. There is some evidence that the failing engines have spent a lot of time at idle where the oil pressure is very low compared to normal driving. Extreme pressure wear additives in oil have also recently changed. The camshafts and roller lifters are one of the most highly stressed friction points in internal combustion engines which is where the failures occur. Let's see where the EVIDENCE leads us.
Chum lee That is if any evidence, other than a few yewboob videos, ever comes to light.
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I wouldn't be quick to blame any supplier.
I worked for a huge aerospace co. that would tell suppliers how to make their products. When those suppliers would balk and tell us "that wont work", our arrogant, pubescent MBA's would tell them "Trust us, it will be fine".
Guess what happened every single time..
And they never learned.
This isn't new technology. The aftermarket has been making roller valve trains for decades. This is the big three happily putting us at risk of major repairs down the road to save themselves a buck now.
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JRscooby wrote:
What possible reason would Ford have to use material or parts from China?
A supplier makes the lifters for Ford. Like everything else manufactured in China is for the lowest cost as possible. I do know the aerospace jobs we do we cannot use China supplied titanium simply because they're notorious for selling material that doesn't meet specifications.
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FishOnOne wrote:JRscooby wrote:
What possible reason would Ford have to use material or parts from China?
A supplier makes the lifters for Ford. Like everything else manufactured in China is for the lowest cost as possible. I do know the aerospace jobs we do we cannot use China supplied titanium simply because they're notorious for selling material that doesn't meet specifications.
Yes, get what they need, without paying a American worker a far wage for making it.
Over the years I have discussed with people that had bumper stickers big letters UAW, small "don't display on import" would make more sense "don't display at Walmart" because I suspect even if car is the 2nd largest purchase more of income is spent on other things, mostly imported.
Back when you could by a Ford in any color you wanted, as long as it was black, the capitalist understood needed to pay workforce enough so they could afford to drive a Ford.
Somehow much of that idea is gone.
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Good ole Chinesuim!
A few years ago we had a bascule bridge structure fabricated in China ….twice. Lol
First one ended up finding plate delamination in plate that was already integrally welded in. And to top it off, the little buggers were sneakin in at night and welding to make up schedule, when no QA or QC present.
What a mess. First one got towed out to sea and dumped to make a reef. Second one arrived about 3 years late…
Dunno how our company faired in the litigation as I left the company before it was settled.
You guys up in Van or on the island might know of it. Johnson St bridge in Victoria.
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