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EV charging quandry

wanderingaimles
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Explorer
One of the main reasons folks that promote EVC's was home charging, and the savings. Now Stanford University has looked into it. And they are saying its the worst way to approach charging.
Stanford study
So, cant during peak usage, cant overnight, guess Kali is going to tell folks to charge them in Nevada.
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NamMedevac_70
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Explorer II
Well sno don't let your EV get submerged in salt water as they are exploding in many areas of Florida after Ian according to Fire Departments. Ev fires take between 3 and 8 thousand gallons of water to put out and as long as 4 hours to extinguish whereas ICE fires take about 1000 gallons of water. Sometimes later the EVs catch fire again.

Many EV owners have returned to ICE vehicles as EVs not practical, and many other EV owners still have ICE vehicles as good solid backup. EVs are much heavier than their ICE counterparts. A Hummer EV battery weighs almost 3000 lbs in the 9000lb hummer.

Head of Toyota motor company said California mandate of 2035 will not happen and toyota sells the most cars in kalifornia. The Gov was just sounding off for his choir. Business news is your friend if you are not low energy.

propchef
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Explorer
nickthehunter wrote:
Lwiddis wrote:
Keep guessing! Refueling ICEs in the very early days was done by buying gasoline in one gallon containers from a hardware store. Lead, follow or get out of the way. California chooses to lead.
Leads to what?
Good example of how CA leads


Did you highlight the part in purple? The author is incorrect. Here's the original 2008 plan from then-Gov Schwarzenegger's(R) administration for the High-Speed Rail. Note that the author of the article you quote is off by a decade in the original estimated 90% completion mark. It was originally scheduled to open in 2030, not 2020 as the article says. Also, note that they left out the fact that all of the numbers quoted were in 2008 dollars and not adjusted for inflation. Just another misleading article.

https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/docs/about/business_plans/BPlan_2008_FullRpt.pdf

The HS rail has spanned several administrations from both parties

nickthehunter
Nomad II
Nomad II
Lwiddis wrote:
Keep guessing! Refueling ICEs in the very early days was done by buying gasoline in one gallon containers from a hardware store. Lead, follow or get out of the way. California chooses to lead.
Leads to what?
Good example of how CA leads

nickthehunter
Nomad II
Nomad II
You done building that tsunami shelter yet Snob - fortify it well, itโ€™s going to be a bigass wave.

shelbyfv
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Explorer
"The top demographic of 2019 EV owners are
middle-aged white men earning more than $100,000
annually with a college degree or higher...." Another demographic summary showed 28% of EV owners had a Doctoral or professional degree and 35% earned over $200,000. What a bunch of losers, right? LMAOROFL

wanderingaimles
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Explorer
BCSnob wrote:
If adoption of EVs will crash the grid, and a crashed grid would make conditions ripe for a civil war; why isnโ€™t faux news promoting the adoption of EVs? :h
IT IS

wanderingaimles
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Explorer
Toed , the real fun part is,,,,,,,
If the response is only to the feasibility of the whole project, then all of Kali is out of excuses for its stupidity.

BCSnob
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If adoption of EVs will crash the grid, and a crashed grid would make conditions ripe for a civil war; why isnโ€™t faux news promoting the adoption of EVs? :h
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Pbutler97
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spoon059 wrote:
toedtoes wrote:
The only stupid thing regarding any of this is all the idiots who whine about this mandate while their states eliminate human rights and freedoms. But I guess being a bunch of old white men, they just don't have to worry about the rest...

Yet.

Name calling... check!
Complaining about "freedom" when one party isn't trying to change our history... check!
Bringing in a racial component... check!

The Party is strong in this one! Just a word of caution, if you never change the channel, that MSNBC graphic will eventually burn an image into your TV screen!





CA_Traveler
Explorer III
Explorer III
propchef wrote:
And this study also looks at all of the western states and says so several times. Our grid in the U.S. has been on life support for decades, just look at what happened in Texas. That wasn't due to EV charging.
Texas is a completely independent grid from other states. They got what they didn't plan for.
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spoon059
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Explorer II
toedtoes wrote:
The only stupid thing regarding any of this is all the idiots who whine about this mandate while their states eliminate human rights and freedoms. But I guess being a bunch of old white men, they just don't have to worry about the rest...

Yet.

Name calling... check!
Complaining about "freedom" when one party isn't trying to change our history... check!
Bringing in a racial component... check!

The Party is strong in this one! Just a word of caution, if you never change the channel, that MSNBC graphic will eventually burn an image into your TV screen!
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spoon059
Explorer II
Explorer II
Lwiddis wrote:
โ€œMandate electric cars by 2035โ€ฆ.โ€ Why couldnโ€™t the Legislature extend this date if necessary?

What about the unintended consequences associated with the people that plan for this drop dead date?

I guess its their own fault for living in or owning a business in California...?
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Pbutler97
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Explorer
toedtoes wrote:
Lwiddis wrote:
โ€œMandate electric cars by 2035โ€ฆ.โ€ Why couldnโ€™t the Legislature extend this date if necessary?


This date is only mandated IF the infrastructure can handle it AND the technology allows for it.

The actual mandate is to encourage technological advances in the EV arena. If that doesn't happen, then the mandate doesn't take effect.

The only stupid thing regarding any of this is all the idiots who whine about this mandate while their states eliminate human rights and freedoms. But I guess being a bunch of old white men, they just don't have to worry about the rest...

Yet.



Are you Joy Behar in real life?

shelbyfv
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Explorer
Jeez, the short bussers can't go a day w/o starting another hysterical EV panty wad thread. SMH....

propchef
Explorer
Explorer
rhagfo wrote:
Lwiddis wrote:
Keep guessing! Refueling ICEs in the very early days was done by buying gasoline in one gallon containers from a hardware store. Lead, follow or get out of the way. California chooses to lead.

They lead with the with the cart before the horse. Mandate electric cars by 2035, but donโ€™t have the electrical grid capacity to support it. Can they build it up that soon, only time will tell.


They *do* have the capacity, they say so in the study. The excess capacity has shifted from night to early and mid-day due to improvements in Solar and they're saying that consumers should change habits OR big changes need to be made to the grid.

From the study posted:

Today, California has excess electricity during late mornings and early afternoons, thanks mainly to its solar capacity. If most EVs were to charge during these times, then the cheap power would be used instead of wasted. Alternatively, if most EVs continue to charge at night, then the state will need to build more generators โ€“ likely powered by natural gas โ€“ or expensive energy storage on a large scale. Electricity going first to a huge battery and then to an EV battery loses power from the extra stop.




And this study also looks at all of the western states and says so several times. Our grid in the U.S. has been on life support for decades, just look at what happened in Texas. That wasn't due to EV charging.