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Turtle n Peeps wrote:The reason people use very little E85 is because it isn't practical. When people learned it dropped their mileage about 25 to 30% people dropped that idea like a hot potato. As always, the consumer will decide what's successful.
Just got my new Leaf and I love passing gas stations and Jiffy lubes. I recharge about every 4 days at home.mkirsch wrote:The advance of technology has increased exponentially over time. How true. Look at what's in the palm of our hands vs what we had in the 80s. I have every reason to believe in the evolution of batteries and charging capabilities, as do the auto makers.
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Lantley wrote:
Battery Technology is certainly progressing.
To think there will not be significant advancement in batterry technology is very short sited.
It sure is. Along with many other technologies in many other realms. No different since the first caveman sparked 2 rocks together and began eating cooked brontosaurus instead of raw...
But for so many to be so smug (not saying you are, as you're quite clear-headed about this subject IMO) to believe unconditionally that the technology will make EVs the clear and best choice (same people who already preach that in current day but most haven't put their money where their mouth is) to the point that govt entities are trying to enact legislation that will take effect 10-15 years from now is either absolutely short sighted or proves an agenda that is some sort of departure from what is best for "everyone". Many view the motive here as an attempt to establish or maintain more control over the population in general.
Or think about it this way since so many like to compare this EV advancement to the last turn of the century change from horse drawn transportation to ICE vehicles.
Very similar. New technology usually wins...
Did the govt (here or anywhere in the world) have to outlaw the sale of horses. Or artificially raise the price of hay and horse feed, or put a tax on veterinarians, blacksmiths, farriers, and farmers, to raise the cost of owning a horse, to convince the average person to up grade to a car?
Nope. End of story. As that is not the case now...
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2oldman wrote:Turtle n Peeps wrote:The reason people use very little E85 is because it isn't practical. When people learned it dropped their mileage about 25 to 30% people dropped that idea like a hot potato. As always, the consumer will decide what's successful.
Nope. That's the way it used to work. Now days company's just get billions of dollars from the federal government. The tax payer spent billions of dollars on this alcohol fiasco. Even after learning it won't work.
I'd have no problem if the consumer decides what works and what doesn't.
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Lantley wrote:Tyler0215 wrote:No one has ever said that EV's are the answer to all needs. The ICE and Diesel will never dissappear in our lifetimes no matter how muck the greenies want them to. It took 40 years for the ICE to replace the horse, the change to EV's will not come any quicker. Nothing to debate folks.
None of us no the time frame but the change is coming. Interestingly enough several manufacturesrs have proclimed they will cease productin of the ICE within the next 20 years And 20 years from now manufacturer’s will still be producing whatever makes them the most profit; regardless of what that is then, and what they say today. No manufacturer is going to throw out their profit margin to save face on their past predictions.
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There are a lot of RVs I would not buy. Why does Turtle seek out something disliked and post about it?
Life is too short for this. Calling troll on this one.
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Turtle n Peeps wrote:Now days company's just get billions of dollars from the federal government. Oil has been subsidized forever. I'm pretty happy with my $7,000 tax credit.
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time2roll wrote: Why does Turtle seek out something disliked and post about it? The impetus in his case is climate change, which is common for EV bashers.
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^^^ Yep, boil down all the faux science talk by folks who have never been in a physics classroom or had math beyond HS algebra and it's reduced to good old Climate Change Denial. Of course nobody will admit to being that willfully ignorant so they come at it sideways.
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2oldman wrote:Semis (OTR) electric haulers will require no shifting, no jake brakes and no slowing down on hills. Cool. I would imagine all but the most hardcore crabby old drivers could go for that.
Most of us have automatic transmissions already. In fact it's been a few years since you could even buy a manual transmission in a full size pickup. Exhaust brakes are also automated.
I don't object to the positive capabilities of an electric motor. The problem is completely about how to provide power to that motor.
With a cost effective battery of similar volume and weight to a full gasoline/diesel tank that could provide even half the energy density...ICE would be done within 5 years.
There are segments where EVs make sense (commuter cars in multi car families, local delivery trucks...but once you need to cover long distances at high speed pulling a lot of weight, the limited range is a deal killer.
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