RetiredRealtorRick
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Everybody seems to worry about "sticker" price or "MSRP". Stop and think --- who sets those prices? It's the manufacturer of the product. That's like asking an artist to give you an appraisal value on his own painting!
Dealers will sell over sticker as long as people will pay it. When buyers push back enough, I feel we'll just see the manufacturer raise prices accordingly, and rebate the dealers directly. Buyers will still pay the higher prices -- just in a different way. Get used to it. Unnecessarily big trucks at unnecessarily high prices ![[emoticon]](https://forums.motorhome.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/cool.gif "cool")
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PButler96
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RetiredRealtorRick wrote: Unnecessarily big trucks at unnecessarily high prices Unnecessarily big trucks? I guess you can vouch for everyone as to what size truck they need? Simple supply and demand and the supply will increase while demand drops. Always happened before, and will again. With the direction the economy is going overall, they'll be begging for buyers within a year. The brakes are being applied to construction as I type including anything to do with building anything back better, and that is what drives sales of unnecessarily big trucks, not the RV crowd which is a miniscule percentage of overall sales.
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I predict a sooner than usual nuclear meltdown of this cluster fork thread!
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RetiredRealtorRick
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PButler96 wrote:RetiredRealtorRick wrote: Unnecessarily big trucks at unnecessarily high prices Unnecessarily big trucks? I guess you can vouch for everyone as to what size truck they need? Simple supply and demand and the supply will increase while demand drops. Always happened before, and will again. With the direction the economy is going overall, they'll be begging for buyers within a year. The brakes are being applied to construction as I type including anything to do with building anything back better, and that is what drives sales of unnecessarily big trucks, not the RV crowd which is a miniscule percentage of overall sales.
No, I can't decide what size truck everyone needs, however, the 'full size' truck of 10-15 years ago wasn't near the behemoth that 'full size' trucks are today.
That being said, I don't see where truck buyer's needs have changed so much that an appreciably larger truck is necessary.
That, added to the fact that if you're going to buy a huge truck, learn to park it properly in a parking lot, and be sure anyone else driving it (such as a spouse) has the same ability to park it properly.
This concludes my dissertation on why I referred to the new truck offerings as 'unnecessarily big'. Your opinion may, and probably does, vary
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PButler96 wrote:Stopped in the local friendly Ford dealer this morning, they had a 22 F 250 loaded up XLT CC, 6 1/2' bed,7.3 gas up on the ramps near the highway. Could of drove it home for $8K over sticker lol. The sales manager told me Ford has stopped building Super Dutys, if you order today the earliest one can expect it is May 2023......maybe, and said expect msrp to go up across the board $4K by then. They had a shiny silver F-150 lightning waiting to be delivered, it went for $25K above sticker. They just furloughed 6 sales people.
People are out of their minds.
Wow sign me up, "only" $8K? The local Ford dealer is asking $ 10K, over MSRP, with one truck $15K over.
I have a real issue with these dealers gouging people, as some buyers don't have a choice, perhaps their existing vehicle was totaled or stolen. But then if some idiot wants to be the first to have a new Lighting and is willing to pay than much, it makes it easier for me to buy less than MSRP.
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Grit dog
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You guys are too funny!
Behemoth trucks? Bigger than 10-15 years ago?
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PButler96
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Nv Guy wrote: But then if some idiot wants to be the first to have a new Lighting and is willing to pay than much, it makes it easier for me to buy less than MSRP.
How about explaining how that works? This particular dealer had around two dozen or so new vehicles parked in a row out front so passersby could clearly see the stickers on the window. It was simply eye candy to sucker people in as every single one was a special order awaiting delivery or one that was in their allotment and sold before it ever hit the dealers lot, in most cases sold online to buyers from out of town or other states. You're not getting below MSRP or even close to it unless you have some type of special relationship with a dealer like pictures of the sales manager and a hooker going into Motel 6 lol.
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RetiredRealtorRick wrote:
No, I can't decide what size truck everyone needs, however, the 'full size' truck of 10-15 years ago wasn't near the behemoth that 'full size' trucks are today.
You're showing your age Rick. Why not look up the dimension specs to say a 2022 F250 and compare that to a 1995 or so F250? Make sure to have the comparable cab and bed length. You'll find the dimensions are only different by a couple of inches. Height of bed rails do not count nor does the height of the hood. Now if your comparing a 2022 to a 1949, then you're spot on.
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Gooma wrote:Dealers ahve found suckers that are willing to pay over sticker price, soemtimes by a large amount. Why will they lower prices? The days of discounrs of 5K to 10K are gone.
I agree that as long as they can get someone to buy for a higher price, they will sell at a higher price. Until supply catches up with demand, that's going to be true.
I disagree that discounts will never come back. The big players can't afford to let others undercut them and take market share. The exception is right now, they are cleaning up production problems and simply can't meet demand. One they start catching up, expect them to start fighting for market share like they always do.
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valhalla360 wrote:Gooma wrote:Dealers ahve found suckers that are willing to pay over sticker price, soemtimes by a large amount. Why will they lower prices? The days of discounrs of 5K to 10K are gone.
I agree that as long as they can get someone to buy for a higher price, they will sell at a higher price. Until supply catches up with demand, that's going to be true.
I disagree that discounts will never come back. The big players can't afford to let others undercut them and take market share. The exception is right now, they are cleaning up production problems and simply can't meet demand. One they start catching up, expect them to start fighting for market share like they always do.
Good explanation valhalla.
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