PA12DRVR
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ShinerBock wrote:Only in the RVnet forum would we boast about our favorite brand’s 3500 DRW being rated to tow more than 4 times its weight yet freak out when someone asks about an 8k lb HD 2500 truck towing 1.75 times its weight.
Well, technically, that's accurate, but the paradigm is duplicated on other forums that I visit:
- On a hunting forum, apparently Dall Sheep will instantly die and be magically transported to a landing strip if Experienced Hunter X even mentions going hunting, but when Hunter X responds to Newbie Hunter's question of the best method to stalk Dall Sheep, Experienced Hunter X simply states: "You'll never be able to sheep hunt unless you have 20 years experience"....and how pray tell does one get that experience?
- Or on the airplane forum: Some PA-12 driver states: "I've landed on XYZ River Bar a few times, always a bit dicey to touch down soon enough if it's windy." (allegedly) Experienced Pilot X then asserts: "XYZ River Bar looks like it's at least 300' long, any Piper pilot worthy of the name can land there without a problem." PA-12 driver: "Have you ever landed there, particularly when the wind is from the East?" Pilot X: "Well, no, but I've flown over it once." ![[emoticon]](https://forums.motorhome.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/rolleyes.gif "rolleyes")
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Grit dog
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ShinerBock wrote:Only in the RVnet forum would we boast about our favorite brand’s 3500 DRW being rated to tow more than 4 times its weight yet freak out when someone asks about an 8k lb HD 2500 truck towing 1.75 times its weight.
Lol, true story!
But to be fair to the boasters, they’re generally not the same folks that are freaking out…to their credit of course!
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5” turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
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BenK
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Agree !
When it comes to science & technology discussions on these freebie forums...heck even my paid forums...too many advisors have no skin in the game in the OP's questions & situation
Then the ratings misconceptions and even some who dismiss ratings will then reference another 'ratings' that they do follow
On top of all that...they do know that all designs have some level of dialed in margin and is 'good for it'...of course yes...but for how long and how safely during that Mr Murphy moment. "Design margin" is a closely held secret and it would take a court order to disclose and then under strict NDA with large fines if they break the NDA
Bottom line for me...if someone asks for this kind of advice...they don't know enough about that situation to make up their own risk management decision(s) and will reference them to their OEM's specifications & manuals for THEIR vehicle & setup
To the many PMs asking, tell them to also look at the history of posts of the party they are asking me to either debunk or verify and make up their own minds if that advisor matches their own values
Also agree with what Shiner said on another thread and is that am not coming over here as often as before
PA12DRVR wrote:ShinerBock wrote:Only in the RVnet forum would we boast about our favorite brand’s 3500 DRW being rated to tow more than 4 times its weight yet freak out when someone asks about an 8k lb HD 2500 truck towing 1.75 times its weight.
Well, technically, that's accurate, but the paradigm is duplicated on other forums that I visit:
- On a hunting forum, apparently Dall Sheep will instantly die and be magically transported to a landing strip if Experienced Hunter X even mentions going hunting, but when Hunter X responds to Newbie Hunter's question of the best method to stalk Dall Sheep, Experienced Hunter X simply states: "You'll never be able to sheep hunt unless you have 20 years experience"....and how pray tell does one get that experience?
- Or on the airplane forum: Some PA-12 driver states: "I've landed on XYZ River Bar a few times, always a bit dicey to touch down soon enough if it's windy." (allegedly) Experienced Pilot X then asserts: "XYZ River Bar looks like it's at least 300' long, any Piper pilot worthy of the name can land there without a problem." PA-12 driver: "Have you ever landed there, particularly when the wind is from the East?" Pilot X: "Well, no, but I've flown over it once."
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1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
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blt2ski
Kirkland, Wa
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ShinerBock wrote:Only in the RVnet forum would we boast about our favorite brand’s 3500 DRW being rated to tow more than 4 times its weight yet freak out when someone asks about an 8k lb HD 2500 truck towing 1.75 times its weight.
In the 80s, I was given a rule of thumb max trailer behind a given chassis at 2x graw.
Max gcwr of 3x grawr or 2x gvw.
Probably worked to a degree back in the day.
BUT, is gvw the sum of two axles, or reduced number as many rigs have?
Even these types of "rules" thoughts can be decieving. Just as the sales brochure numbers can be.
At the end of the day, one needs proper payload, and drivetrain to meet end users performance standards. If it's missing one or the other, said truck is not what that person needs or wants.
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92 Navistar dump truck, 7.3L 7 sp, 4.33 gears with a Detroit no spin
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BurbMan
Indianapolis, IN
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Grit dog wrote:I’m sorry some don’t understand vehicles enough to know what is safe or not. Cheers dudes!
Again, all I did was post my actual weights and the manufacturer's ratings for my truck and the same truck in a 2500.....I am not in any way making a statement about what is safe or not. Apparently you know much more than the manufacturers do about the meaning of ratings. You should be working for FCA, they would love to have you in the engineering dept....oh wait, are you an engineer?
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BenK
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There is one OEM rating that all of the anti-ratings advisors do believe in and that is the ICE "red line"
Haven't read anyone here recommend going over it...nor "I've been doing it for years with no problems"...or..."go for it"...
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Cummins12V98
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ShinerBock wrote:Only in the RVnet forum would we boast about our favorite brand’s 3500 DRW being rated to tow more than 4 times its weight yet freak out when someone asks about an 8k lb HD 2500 truck towing 1.75 times its weight.
DUDE, don't you know the HIPS make all the difference???????
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"
"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600
2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable
2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD
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Cummins12V98
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Jerry Said....."Yes, it is obvious Grit knows more about trucks than you, as do many other members!"
That kinda hurt me a little. ![[emoticon]](https://forums.motorhome.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
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BurbMan
Indianapolis, IN
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Cummins12V98 wrote:Jerry Said....."Yes, it is obvious Grit knows more about trucks than you, as do many other members!"
That kinda hurt me a little.
So "knowing" about trucks means "knowing" that the manufacturers' ratings are BS? Well, I guess I'm an idiot.
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BurbMan wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:Jerry Said....."Yes, it is obvious Grit knows more about trucks than you, as do many other members!"
That kinda hurt me a little.
So "knowing" about trucks means "knowing" that the manufacturers' ratings are BS? Well, I guess I'm an idiot.
burb...You will be alright...don't beat yourself up! Lol
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