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willald wrote:They are experiencing more and more folks that don't understand common camping etiquette, or just don't care or think the rules apply to them.
Way too many folks are out there with RVs now due to COVID, fresh out of their 5 star hotels they are used to.
Hopefully once COVID is gone, most of those people will dump their RVs (making a great used market for the rest of us), and go back to their 5 star hotels. Then maybe campgrounds won't have to be like this.
I doubt newbies accustomed to 5 star hotels are the primary rule breakers. They might make an innocent mistake but are unlikely to be obnoxious.
More likely with heavy demand, parks can screen out undesirables.
- If a park is running at 25% occupancy and struggling financially, owners may be hesitant to kick people out unless the bad behavior is extreme. Problem is letting marginal behavior stand can create a downward spiral as it scares away good customers and tend to be replaced by bad customers and to draw them, you have to lower rates which draws more bad customers.
- If the park has 120% demand, if someone breaks the rules, it's easy to replace them, so there is little incentive for the owner to put up with bad behavior. As long as the owner doesn't get overzealous about it, it develops a good reputation for the park which draws more good customers and in turn the owner can raise rates.
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Camper445 wrote:The firewood rules are special. Invasive insects do not infest processed wood such as scraps from pallets, but you can conveniently buy our overpriced green bundles that will not light without 5 gallons of gas.
People who burn pallets are the worst.
Most of the time the pallets are stolen. And 100% of the time the remains leave nails in the fire pit. Once the pit is moved, you're stuck with a minefield of nails. It's disgusting and ignorant.
Bugs or no bugs, never burn pallets.
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cptqueeg wrote:Pallets of all origins move freely move through North America w/out any body giving it a second thought.
Yes and no. Yes, once manufactured into pallets they move freely. No, the USDA (and countries that have adopted ISPM 15) does look at where the wood came from used to make the pallets.
USDA: ISPM 15-Compliant Wood Packing Material
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cptqueeg
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BCSnob wrote:cptqueeg wrote:Pallets of all origins move freely move through North America w/out any body giving it a second thought.
Yes and no. Yes, once manufactured into pallets they move freely. No, the USDA (and countries that have adopted ISPM 15) does look at where the wood came from used to make the pallets.
USDA: ISPM 15-Compliant Wood Packing Material
Got it. There are rules, but IRL those rules are not enforced in interstate or international trade in N America.
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pbeverly wrote:
We were at the Great Smoky Mountains NP a few weeks ago. We did what is considered the most popular trail. At the trailhead it clearly stated NO PETS. Of course there were exceptional and entitled people that this rule did not apply to. Service dogs are not an exception here and none of them were service dogs anyway.
Service dogs ARE allowed everywhere visitors are allowed in National Parks - that includes trails.
Per the NPS website:
In October 2018, the National Park Service (NPS) issued a policy memorandum regarding the use of service animals by persons with disabilities in national parks. The revised policy aligns the NPS policy with the standards established by the Department of Justice and the Americans with Disabilities Act. Only dogs are classified as service animals, and they must perform a specific task that assists a person with a disability. Emotional support or comfort animals are not service animals.
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Service dogs are legally permitted anywhere that visitors can go. They must be allowed wherever visitors are allowed.
I just wanted to clarify that.
pbeverly wrote:
Dogs are only allowed on 2 trails within the entire park. When researching I learned this is pretty much standard practice at all National Parks. On their website they explain why and it pretty much all very valid reasons.
Exceptional and Entitled people can do what they want and to Hell with the rest of us.
Yes, in most all National Parks, dogs are only allowed in campgrounds, on paved roads, and on a few select trails that will always state so at the trailhead. In addition, leaving your dog unattended in your RV is against the rules. And most parks have a policy against leaving your dog in a vehicle under certain weather conditions (too hot or cold) and you can be ticketed for violating the policy.
During my trip to Death Valley, I saw many visitors trying to take their dogs on the trails. While at the Artist's Pallette, I explained to a 60+ year old couple that their dog was not allowed on the trail. They got back in their car and drove away. I moved on to the second parking area and saw them drive up. They saw me and drove back out. I am sure they drove around to the main road, came back in and took their dog on the trail as soon as I was gone.
People like that ruin it for the rest of us.
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valhalla360
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cptqueeg wrote:BCSnob wrote:cptqueeg wrote:Pallets of all origins move freely move through North America w/out any body giving it a second thought.
Yes and no. Yes, once manufactured into pallets they move freely. No, the USDA (and countries that have adopted ISPM 15) does look at where the wood came from used to make the pallets.
USDA: ISPM 15-Compliant Wood Packing Material
Got it. There are rules, but IRL those rules are not enforced in interstate or international trade in N America.
Enforcement is at the production level.
Kind of like CAFE mileage standards for cars...The enforcement is done at the design and production levels. They don't have stations at the state borders with crews doing test runs to confirm the MPG.
Is it perfect, no but most companies don't build their own pallets, so enforcement at pallet producers is an efficient approach.
Also, the risk profile of pallets is likely far lower (not zero but lower):
- Firewood typically includes the bark and often semi-rotted wood which is more likely to contain insects. It's also frequently taken to forested areas where any insects have a quick and easy path to new trees.
- Pallets are typically made of solid wood with the bark removed. They tend to live their lives in trucks and warehouses where insects must travel further to find a suitable live tree.
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I was threatened after politely asking a group at 1:30 am to stop yelling swear words, being so loud keeping our church group awake. They threatened me twice if I said another word. I further told them they should think twice about being so foul mouthed around their small children. He came at me as I stood my ground but, was stopped by his buddie. It was quiet after that and I learned to never camp where there crowds or popular places. I go lonely roads, lonely campgrounds and find the hunters during hunting season to be the most polite people ever. Some places are magical and everyone is friendly and very quiet at night.
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Last year I reported a national park site where a noisy party was still going on at 1 AM to the park night number. The operator asked if I had reported it to the loop host, and I replied that the site was the loop host's. A few minutes later a park police SUV pulled up and shut the party down. The next morning two park rangers showed up and soon after the host started packing up. One of the rangers stopped by my site later on and told me my call was strike three for that host. A few days later a new host moved in. A very quiet one... ![[emoticon]](https://forums.motorhome.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
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Dutch_12078 wrote:Last year I reported a national park site where a noisy party was still going on at 1 AM to the park night number. The operator asked if I had reported it to the loop host, and I replied that the site was the loop host's. A few minutes later a park police SUV pulled up and shut the party down. The next morning two park rangers showed up and soon after the host started packing up. One of the rangers stopped by my site later on and told me my call was strike three for that host. A few days later a new host moved in. A very quiet one...
As host in state park, I was told I should remined campers of the rules, then call Ranger if there was problem. Friday night, I called about a loud party, no action. If whole CG had to hear, thought we should all join in. Next day I went to office, printed a couple of flyers. FREE FOOD! FREE BEER! SITE # XX. COME WHEN MUSIC STARTS! Grabbed a stack of blank printer paper. Late afternoon, started around the loop, when I got to where I could be seen from site XX, I started putting a blank sheet on each picnic table. As I skipped over site XX one of the called to see what I was doing. I gave them the printed flyer, went on with the blanks. The music never started. I thought it worked, but park management was not happy.
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pasusan wrote:BurbMan wrote:mdcamping wrote:I agree with everything mentioned, let me add one small Item. Check the REVIEWS on the campground, best way to find what is actually going on.
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Speaking of which, is Woodall's no longer around? What is the go-to site now for finding campgrounds and reviews? This site: Used to be RV Park Reviews
Though not always accurate, google reviews gives you a fast insight.
OP, just curious how do the reviews look?
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