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Posted: 02/25/21 08:39pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

In definition Battery is stored energy, as in an artillery unit. That thought has been lost as today it is thought of only in the chemically reservation of electric power in units, credible to rvs and small unit chemically storage systems.
Where alternative power units like solar and wind could store their peak generation for peak usage times via 'battery' is not the mechanical but the physical.
A lake with water storage behind hydroelectric generators is a battery,
An underground salt cavern pressurized with compressed air is a battery
fluids heated, like salt or oil in daytime heating , release that energy at night, stored energy, a battery. Wind and solar will have to store that energy, pumping water back up into the lake, pressirizing the caverns, heating the oil and salt to store the energy for the nighttime demand to recharge fleets
Battery is a unit of energy storage , in projected electric mass transportation will require recharge primarily at night, when the sun dont shine and the wind dont blow.
The energy to provide for that will require sacrifice. changed downstream river flows, impacts of wind farms that pump water back up into the lake. increased solar heat reflectiion vs absorbed heat into the land, leading to higher daytime temps, cooler nights. disturbed air patterns.
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Posted: 02/25/21 08:54pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Point being???


Is it time for your medication or mine?


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All of these pie in the sky suggestions has major drawbacks. Just build nuke plants in the first place, save fossil fuel for petrochem and transportation


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The word "battery" doesn't have much of anything to do with stored energy. It derives from Latin battuere (to strike), via French, and originally meant wrought/forged metal articles. It came to mean a set of artillery pieces operating as a unit (a battery of guns), and then more broadly a set of various things that operate together and often are similar or identical to each other.

You can have a battery of tests to form a medical diagnosis: a set of tests, working together. You can also have an electrical battery, a set of cells working together for greater voltage or current than a single cell provides. A hydroelectric dam, a pressure vessel, or many other things that store energy are not batteries. (A single AA cell is also not a battery, technically speaking, but two or more of them together can form a battery.)





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I hope it’s spring soon....you guys need to get out!


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agesilaus wrote:

All of these pie in the sky suggestions has major drawbacks. Just build nuke plants in the first place, save fossil fuel for petrochem and transportation


And where will the fuel as well as exotic metals come from for these highly dangerous plants?

6 years to build, perhaps 60 years at best of life, and then 20 years to decommission a plant.

We (gluttons that we are) currently us 15 terawatts of power. Even doing 1 TW via nuclear would stretch resources to the limit.

And finally, there is no agreed upon way to manage the waste.

https://phys.org/news/2011-05-nuclear-power-world-energy.html


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Too much Jane Fonda for you piano. Tell why do you think nuke plants are dangerous in the US?

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agesilaus wrote:

Too much Jane Fonda for you piano. Tell why do you think nuke plants are dangerous in the US?



"Dangerous"?? He didn't say dangerous, he said "HIGHLY" dangerous, as an example, the hundreds of people dropping dead every day from nuclear accidents!


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Posted: 02/26/21 07:38am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I tried pumping compressed air into the RV to run an air powered generator...but the **** kids kept opening the door.

Not clear what the point of all this is.


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Not clear what the point of all this is.


Yeah it's another emoters vs Thinkers thread that will be endless and go nowhere.

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