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Posted: 08/02/20 08:20pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

HMS Beagle wrote:

Lantley wrote:


The reality is none of what you posted is really new!


It isn't new - but it is getting worse. The only cure is to go further away from population, or off season. Off season is noticeably more crowded now than even 10 years ago. More population, and many more RVs, which have made camping accessible to people who really don't want to camp. If you are just going to watch TV all afternoon, do you really need to take up a campsite to do it?


They are being “green” when they get out in nature and sit in the rv to watch tv while their house is sitting there with the ac on. Lol

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Posted: 08/03/20 07:58am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Think twice, or a whole lot more times, about moving to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming/Washington to avoid the crowds. It can be very appealing in the summer. In the winter, you'll wonder why you moved. It's cold, it's dark, it's windy, it's snowy, and the locals don't much care for you being there.

Canada is closed to us because the US is stupid about the CoVid-19. I can't blame them one bit. I had trips planned to BC and the Yukon.

RV sales are up but where are those buyers going with their RVs?

What's changed about camping is simply this: there are more people doing it and more people abusing it.

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Posted: 08/03/20 08:06am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

HMS Beagle wrote:

Lantley wrote:


The reality is none of what you posted is really new!


It isn't new - but it is getting worse. The only cure is to go further away from population, or off season. Off season is noticeably more crowded now than even 10 years ago. More population, and many more RVs, which have made camping accessible to people who really don't want to camp. If you are just going to watch TV all afternoon, do you really need to take up a campsite to do it?


Here on LI when we first started beach camping you never needed a reservation, and in fact it was first come first served and only once in 20 years was the CG full when I got there. Now you need to make a reservation 90 days in advance, and when the they open the sites 90 days ahead at 7:00 pm, if you log on at 7:05 they are all booked.

One of the reasons we sold the TT and got this TC, we are hoping to have more flexibility to go and stay places on our schedule. Problem with the big trailer is that you can't just park it anywhere.

My kids always had a ball when we were camping, even when the CG had people living there and the drunks next door kept us up till 2 am...

The RV industry is now posting record growth because people who never would have considered an RV want to travel alone in a covid world.

For folks that invest in real estate, you return on investment is a function of how much it costs to improve the property vs how much income it will generate. #1 ROI in real estate is self storage facilities, followed by retail strip malls. Campgrounds? At the bottom of the list....


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Geewizard wrote:

Think twice, or a whole lot more times, about moving to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming/Washington to avoid the crowds. It can be very appealing in the summer. In the winter, you'll wonder why you moved. It's cold, it's dark, it's windy, it's snowy, and the locals don't much care for you being there.

Canada is closed to us because the US is stupid about the CoVid-19. I can't blame them one bit. I had trips planned to BC and the Yukon.

RV sales are up but where are those buyers going with their RVs?

What's changed about camping is simply this: there are more people doing it and more people abusing it.

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Well said!

A friend went up to the local FS campground to scout around for huckleberries..Because of the budgets and Covid,there was no camp host in the FS campground..He came home the next day upset..People with loud dirt bikes running the campground at will and lot's of partying and drinking all day long..All from out of state,none from Idaho..

That is why I never use a FS or any other type campground,dispersed camping only is just like it used to be 50 years ago...


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I have moved to Colorado, Wyoming, and Washington twice. Once to Arizona.
Except for Wyo these places are loved to death. It takes permits to visit places in WA now that were never regulated.

I ended up in Nevada because of the space and the Light.

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Posted: 08/03/20 09:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Moving this thread to around the campfire. This is not truck camper specific and many others in other style RV's have the same experience.


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Here in CO, it's very crowded anywhere within a couple hours of the front range. Forget about first come first serve camping if you want to head out on Friday for a quick weekend, and you need to book reservable sites 6 months in advance. There are a lot of people who moved here from out of State (like California), but also out of state visitors (like from Texas).

For this reason we don't do a lot of camping just for weekends anymore. Instead we save up our time and head to WY (spouse is from there). Out there, there's still tons of areas there that really allow you to camp. But for us, it's 6-7 hours. We own land up there around 90 minutes from Jackson, and once we have the finances lined up, are building a small house on it... both to stay in, but also as a place we can leave our camper during the summer so we can make the trip faster. Area doesn't permit you to live in your camper on your land unless you're in the middle of building a house.

There's pluses and minuses to living full time in a place like that though. Pluses are obvious, few people, beautiful scenery, ability to enjoy outdoor recreation without it being overrun. Minuses are the weather when it's not summer, lack of amenities we grow used to (like high speed internet, reliable phone signal, abundant grocery stores, etc), and lack of healthcare options. The high speed internet is the reason we don't live there now, we both need it to do our jobs remotely.


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While we generally use reservations for most state and national park stays these days out of necessity, we're fortunate that we have a lifetime permit for remote boondocking on a corporate tree farm in the Adirondacks. If anything, that location has become even more private over the years as the other permit holders have passed away or lost interest. There are currently only three active permit holders left, and the other two are hunters that only show up for deer season in the late fall. We love going there as a fill in getaway in between the more "civilized" parks.


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Posted: 08/03/20 11:00am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

We normally don't make a double move, but since this does pertain to rving, it will be more appropriate in lifestyle. (Mod)

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I live in southern Alberta and experience the same thing. Not only for RV'ing but for everything outside.

There is a community west of me that is an old mining area. In the 80's the houses were going for $5000 - $10,000 now people from bigger cities have bought them and they are trying to flip for $500,000 with almost no repairs done to the places driving out most of the young families that don't have that money. Reason for the flipping other then money is that they are in nature and only a couple coffee shops / diners to go to when they are there and they are bored!!!!!!!! When they do go out they take all their toys and destroy the back country for others.

Campgrounds are the same around here. Lets put our 40' RV in a site that will barely fit a small trailer. Then power up the generator before you even unhook as you need power for the big screen and microwave. That is if you can get a camping spot. Add to that the prices for camping is going NUTS. A guy was telling me last year he went for a trip and found a number of campsites at $60 a night and they were not willing to rent to anyone that was only using a tent.

I miss the old road trips where you could pull over and pay $5 for a spot and you never needed a reservation.


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