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time2roll

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Posted: 05/26/20 11:20pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Not just balanced but I make them use the lug centric hold down.


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Posted: 05/26/20 11:26pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If it goes 'round' at 'speed' balance them.

Can't hurt and doesn't cost much

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Posted: 05/27/20 03:41am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Years ago when I was young and money was tight, I was springing for tires on my truck. The man behind the counter realized my situation, and told me that I could save some money by not balancing the rear tires... as solid axles do not need it... The downside would be that they could not be rotated to the front.

I took his advice, and it worked perfectly.

All new trailers come from the factory with unbalanced tires. I have never read here of any issues because of this fact. I have also never read of anyone taking their brand new trailer into a shop to have the tires balanced.... They just run them until it is new tire time, and then worry about it.

Having said that, I have since run them both ways with no difference in performance. When buying new tires, I cut my best deal and then at the last minute, ask for free balancing... They almost always agree. Once they did not. I drove away, got 2 miles up the road and my phone rang.... The tire shop, was calling wanting me to come back, as the free balancing was no longer a problem.

Balancing is a profit opportunity for them. They are paying the employees the same whether they do it or not.


As for how to have them balanced.... As has already been stated, most trailer rims are lug centric, not hub centric like most autos.
IOW, the center pilot hole is just stamped out roughly centered. So using this hole to mount them on a balancing machine will not balance them.. In fact it very eaisily can make them worse!

As far as the brake drums being unbalanced, I do not doubt this a bit, though I havn't verified it.... It does make sense though. The manufacturers will not pay for anything that is not needed. solid axles do not "need" balancing... If that works for the tires, then it will for the drums as well.

How many people balance their drums?



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Posted: 05/27/20 06:26am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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How many people balance their drums?


I have gotten involved with this balance discussions for years and there has yet to be one person that checked the balance of the tire, wheel and drum assembly. We often here of using the lugs to locate the wheel, but nobody has ever checked to see if the cheap drum has lugs that are concentric. I have balanced my assemblies on many trailers for years and have seen unbelievable poor quality of trailer tires, wheels and hubs. Until one actually does a real check of what they have, and not just a tire "balance" they have no clue. For example; my utility trailer had hubs so bad I could not safely remove enough material to bring them into balance.





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Posted: 05/27/20 06:34am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

memtb wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

Never balanced a tire on 14-15 flatdeck trailers....three Stock trailers....four cargo trailer....one TT.....three 5th wheel rv trailers.....for several reasons that I and others have posted a dozen times on this website.

I'm happy...my tires and trailers are happy. I get 40k-55k miles a set. Tires wear even across the tread with no cupping.


Do you balance the tires on your cars or trucks? memtb

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What is your reasons for not balancing?

There are several that are well know around haulers websites and experienced tire dealers that I've learned over the years.
One biggie is trailer hubs are not balanced. Throwing weights on the tire/wheel assy then mount it on a unbalanced hub doesn't make cents/sense.
Another is a trailers leaf spring are 26"-27" in length and act as a huge damper,very short and very stiff compared to our soft riding trucks with 72"-76" long spring.
Hell our older trucks with 38"-48" long leaf springs that had 7-8 leafs in the pack was so stiff we could get buy without shocks on the rear.

Another reason is trailer wheels lug holes aren't concentric to the wheels bead seat. Thats why many experienced tire dealers have there techs mount the tire and run a radial run out check. They may have too remove and rotate the tire to find the the least run out.

In my former hauling business we had no reload runs. We ran empty back to our loading yard. It was rare we had issues with LT tires on my trailers but in that type of work around construction worksites they did get damaged. If a tire started showing cupping/tread bulging in a few short miles I had the tire replaced.

Everyone has their own ideas about tire tech on a trailer which is apples vs pickles for the same tires on a tow vehicle.


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Huntindog wrote:



How many people balance their drums?


My drums come balanced, there are weights welding to the outside.


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Mike134 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:



How many people balance their drums?


My drums come balanced, there are weights welding to the outside.


Photos please!

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Lynnmor wrote:

Mike134 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:



How many people balance their drums?


My drums come balanced, there are weights welding to the outside.


Photos please!


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Mike134 wrote:

Lynnmor wrote:

Mike134 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:



How many people balance their drums?


My drums come balanced, there are weights welding to the outside.


Photos please!


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Houston, we have a problem!

Those are not trailer drums. Trailer drums, at least all the ones I have seen are made with the hub, and bearing seats in one unit.

Those are off of a car or truck.


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blofgren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Discount Tire balanced both sets of GY ENDURANCE tires I have purchased without asking to do so.


Discount Tire in Burlington gave me the absolute best service at a tire shop I’ve ever had by far. In and out in an hour with 4 new BF Goodrich Commercial T/A’s, balanced and dressed perfectly for a great price on my last fiver. I was totally impressed.


I have dealt with Ricky for a few years now. He was the Manager in Burlington and now is the Manager in Bellingham, WA at their new store off the Meridian exit. VERY happy!!!


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