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dturm

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Posted: 09/25/20 11:07am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Again, you choose one person's perspective and choose to ignore every one else.

This was stated in his argument:
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In the data for UK, Sweden, the US, and the world, it can be seen that in all cases, deaths were on the rise in March through mid or late April, then began tapering off in a smooth slope which flattened around the end of June and continues to today. The case rates however, based on testing, rise and swing upwards and downwards wildly.


I can see a flaw immediately. He assumes the decrease in death rate is due to decrease in actual cases. Therefore, since there is a decrease in death rate the increase in cases must be due to "false positives."

In actuality, the new cases are hitting age groups where death is not as common an outcome AND our medical professionals have learned a tremendous amount about this disease and how to treat it. They have tools and treatment protocols not available or utilized in March, April and May and have a much better chance at saving those infected. Possible reason for decreased death rate despite rising cases???


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Posted: 09/25/20 11:26am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Notice of Retraction: Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS-CoV-2
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2020



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According to recommendations by the editors of Annals of Internal Medicine, we are retracting our article, “Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS-CoV-2. A Controlled Comparison in 4 Patients,” which was published at Annals.org on 6 April 2020 (1).

We had not fully recognized the concept of limit of detection (LOD) of the in-house reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction used in the study (2.63 log copies/mL), and we regret our failure to express the values below LOD as “

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Posted: 09/25/20 11:28am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

There is an MD in Australia that says the earth is flat; do you choose to believe him?

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Posted: 09/25/20 11:41am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Still waiting on published data (as opposed to opinion) showing the lack of effectiveness of surgical masks at preventing the spread of covid.

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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Remember, you're supposed to believe science. If you disagree with any article I posted please feel free you write to the author and tell him or her you don't agree with them. Tell them your qualifications and why you don't agree with them. They will more than likely tell you why you are wrong and have the qualifications and knowledge to tell you why.


Here is the science:

"Our study indicates that wearing a face mask can be effectively combined with social distancing to flatten the epidemic curve. Wearing a mask presents a rational way to implement as an NPI to combat COVID-19"

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0237691

Please wear a mask.


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Posted: 09/25/20 12:53pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Unfortunately the discussion regarding masks resulted in some flaming by a member. The most recent reliable scientific studies validate that washing hands, masking, and distancing are currently the most effective means of slowing down the spread of Covid; at least until we get a vaccine.

So, if new reliable scientific data comes out to backup or refute means of slowing the spread and/or finding an effective vaccine, lets post it. This does NOT include going back to studies previously reported.

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Those who are skeptical over the number of false positives should do a little research on some of the newer diagnostics technology, in particular I am referring to Co-Diagnostics Inc of Salt Lake City UT and their system.

Numerous tests by unrelated third parties have proven their tests to be correct 100% of the time to date.

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Just heard that United Airlines will be giving "rapid tests" to it's customers as they board United's planes; it is understood that these tests have a 15 minute turn around time for results. I wonder how reliable they are. In addition, United has nice cross continental trips from Atlanta to Hawaii (non-stop), and Hawaii has agreed to use those tests as evidence that a passenger is Covid-free when the passenger lands in Honolulu, thus, the passenger will not be required to go through 14-day quarantine.

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Presuming that is the Abbott test, it is widely know to less than perfect.

From a recent article, “ Abbott, the health technology company that produces the test, reports that when patients had symptoms the test was in agreement with PCR testing for 97.1% for COVID-19 positive cases and 98.5% for COVID-19 negative cases.”

Using the worst case of 97% for positive, and 200+ seat plane is only half full, you could very well be sitting on a plane with 3 very sick people for 9+ hours and upon landing those 3 people, and anyone else they infected are going to be allowed to go where when they want without any quarantine.

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Posted: 09/26/20 02:52pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

They are starting to use this in BC schools.

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