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toedtoes

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Posted: 10/21/19 03:45pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

jfkmk wrote:

Airdaile wrote:

I stay away from California. Problem solved.

Agreed! California certainly has strange priorities.


Yeah, strange priority here, protecting its agriculture:

In 2018, California's farms and ranches received almost $50 billion in cash receipts for their output. This represents a slight increase over adjusted cash receipts for 2017 1.

California's agricultural abundance includes more than 400 commodities. Over a third of the country's vegetables and two-thirds of the country's fruits and nuts are grown in California. California is the leading US state for cash farm receipts, accounting for over 13 percent of the nation's total agricultural value. The top producing commodities for 2018 include:

Dairy Products, Milk — $6.37 billion
Grapes — $6.25 billion
Almonds — $5.47 billion
Cattle and Calves — $3.19 billion
Pistachios — $2.62 billion
Strawberries — $2.34 billion
Lettuce — $1.81 billion
Floriculture — $1.22 billion
Tomatoes — $1.20 billion
Oranges — $1.12 billion

Source: https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/statistics/


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rk911 wrote:

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...If you wish to bow down to an unconstitutional request go for it. I for one will stand on my two feet and demand my government treat me as a citizen, not a subject!

a request to do this or that is just that a request. requests are neither constitutional or unconstitutional...they're just requests. you said no. end of story. if they had pushed their way inside to search without probable cause then that may be unconstitutional. if you suffer retaliation for that answer then it's time for an atty otherwise have a nice day.


Except that this is already a decided case by the U.S. Supreme Court decision in California vs. Carney case, the a motorhome, while it is similar to a house/home, is part of the "automobile exemption" can can be subject to search without need of a warrant.

are you saying that any vehicle can be searched by law enforcement at any time for any reason? i can’t imagine that is the case but if it is settled law then the request would’ve been constitutional.


Why does "without a warrant" always equate to "without reason". I believe in this case case it is "with probable cause".

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Posted: 10/21/19 04:12pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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[email protected] - Civics 101, Nancy is not responsible for state regulations, CA legislators do.
History 101, Nancy Reagan, ca. 1982. "In 1982, the phrase "Just Say No" first emerged when Nancy Reagan was visiting Longfellow Elementary School in Oakland, California. When asked by a schoolgirl what to do if she was offered drugs, the First Lady responded: "Just say no.".

It was a joke.


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OK, Ndrorder, not "rigths," but obligations to protect California's farms, groves, forests, daires, orchards etc. from pests. Please let California decide if ag inspections are necessary, not those living and working elsewhere.


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Posted: 10/21/19 04:29pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Interesting topic. Makes me wonder what they do if you showed up at their inspection with these dang stink bugs hanging onto your bumper!

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Since I live in So Calif and can't tell you how many times I've come through the AG Inspection which is now closer to the actual border than it ever was before....its now located at the new weigh station just past State line.

A matter of fact, most times NO ONE is even attending this station and other times, your simply waved through. On the rare occasion someone is manning the station, they may ask where you are coming from? or if you have any fruit? Since the general reply is Las Vegas, you get waved through also. Why someone MIGHT be singled out is rather simple, you have a plate from someplace other than Calif/Nevada...in this case New York! Chances are someone from the East Coast entering Calif may have purchased fruits or vegetables along their cross country trip...Hell, I'm no Rocket Scientist, but I can figure that one out.

Since all like to Dig on Calif here, I can tell you with No hesitation, I'd take everything that greater Los Angeles has instead of what greater New York City has any day of the week. If you don't like Calif...stay home, won't hurt my feelings!


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As a general rule, no officer can make an inspection into your automobile or residence without a warrant that requires probable cause. If exigent circumstances exist, then a warrant is not required but probable cause must be present. I am not licensed to practice in California (thankfully) so the state's supreme court may have decisions that muddy these waters, and perhaps the federal district courts have weighed in on this as well. I doubt they have changed the probable cause requirement, however.

The biggest issue against the State of California requiring anyone from submitting to any search or denying entry is that (1.) the U.S. Constitution allows for free travel without restriction, and (2.) except for just a few of the entry points into the state none are not subject to any inspection.

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From the CDFA:

"What Legal Authority do your inspectors have to stop and check my vehicle?

The Department’s legal authority for conducting vehicle and commodity inspections lies in the California Food and Agricultural Code, specifically Sections 5341-5353 and 6301-6465. Although submitting to inspection is voluntary, vehicle and commodities are not allowed to enter until released by an inspector." LINK

So, by all means, be a tough guy and pi$$ off the inspector.


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California has a lot to worry about. But it won't be a insect that devastates it's economy. Your correct on stating your rights that are protected as a citizen of this country. I wouldn't get so worked up over it ... you won.

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Acampingwewillgo wrote:

Why someone MIGHT be singled out is rather simple, you have a plate from someplace other than Calif/Nevada...in this case New York! Chances are someone from the East Coast entering Calif may have purchased fruits or vegetables along their cross country trip...Hell, I'm no Rocket Scientist, but I can figure that one out.

Same conclusion I came to before I finished page 1. But some folks have to fuel the "spiracy" theory.

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