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agesilaus

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Posted: 10/20/19 07:07pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Thinking about the camping in NPS parks, we hardly ever do it since it's so hard to get in. Not so with NF and BLM cg and especially not COE cg


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The National Park Service has done this since 2009 when we visited Alaska. In June of 2009 they started charging additional fees for campsites that had electric/sewer charged an extra fee. As shown at Recreation.gov they charge extra for electric and sewer and (as we found out in 2009) the discount is only available on the basic fee. This was new in the summer of 2009 as we had made reservations several months before and got the discount on the whole campsite fee but when we wanted to add on a couple of days found that terms had changed and we wouldn't get the discount on anything but the basic fee. So this isn't really new since the NFS has been doing it for 10 years except they are talking about restricting the discount a little more than NFS. I just don't think it has been as noticeable since fewer NFS sites have additional amenities.


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My Opinion, that and a nickle will buy you almost nothing.

I purchased an item that indicated I will receive a specific benefit. I expect to receive the benefit I paid for. If they want to stop selling the item that is ok, but if it has been bought and paid for...then they should deliver.

Don't like privatization of our natural resources. Usually some rich persons make lots of money and we the people loose our shirts.

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toedtoes wrote:

Why would it be different? They are eligible for the senior discount also. And just because they aren'ton SS, diesn't mean they aren't as cheap as all the other seniors.


Read it again. If they had to LIVE on SS, not the $174k a year for life they get now.


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Senior discounts should be given out by net worth. My financial statement would get me a lot of free stuff. [emoticon]



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accsys wrote:

The National Park Service has done this since 2009 when we visited Alaska. In June of 2009 they started charging additional fees for campsites that had electric/sewer charged an extra fee. As shown at Recreation.gov they charge extra for electric and sewer and (as we found out in 2009) the discount is only available on the basic fee. This was new in the summer of 2009 as we had made reservations several months before and got the discount on the whole campsite fee but when we wanted to add on a couple of days found that terms had changed and we wouldn't get the discount on anything but the basic fee. So this isn't really new since the NFS has been doing it for 10 years except they are talking about restricting the discount a little more than NFS. I just don't think it has been as noticeable since fewer NFS sites have additional amenities.


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I recall when that happened in a NPS park when we checked in, I think it was Tetons, but not positive. That's when a vendor had taken over, and installed some W/E sites. The vendor had some sites no HU, some sites with the W/E. The sites with no HU were discounted, the sites with W/E were discount on SITE PRICE, but $8 added for W/E service, with no discount. The regular campsite posted fee was full price, plus the $8 fee if it had the HU.

The No HU sites were what remained after the vendor HU were installed, and almost all the no HU sites were too small for any reasonable size RV anyway. We took a no HU site, as we are a Truck Camper and can fit nearly anywhere. And, we don't care about HU ...

One thing that came of this, any reasonable sized TT or 5'er, or MH could ONLY fit in HU sites, so had to take the HU and the fee-add.


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jplante4 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

Why would it be different? They are eligible for the senior discount also. And just because they aren'ton SS, diesn't mean they aren't as cheap as all the other seniors.


Read it again. If they had to LIVE on SS, not the $174k a year for life they get now.


I still don't see how that would change their view. You think they DON'T use every senior discount available to them even with $174K a year? They will want the discount just as much as any other senior - whether in a huge class A or a popup.

The truth is they aren't the ones changing the senior discount - it's the USNPS. It's not the politicians, it's the bureaucracy.


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Lynnmor wrote:

I have no problem with charging for the extras.


Good for you. I do. I bought the card in good faith and pay my taxes. I'm tired of buying things and then having to buy "extras" to really have everything. Hmmmph.....

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DutchmenSport wrote:

Um... I take a different view on this. The fact is, more and more RV's have been sold in the last few years than ever before. All time new highs in RV markets have reached an unbelievable peak. There are definitely more RVers than campsites available. For the National Parks and such, this is a money maker. But as the baby boomers are now "booming" into retirement, own more RV's than probably any other "group", perhaps this is 'their' way to keep the revenue coming in.

Say 100 sites go for $25 a night. That $2500 a night. Now, if 100 "seniors" use those same sites at the discount price, say... $15 a night, that's now only $1500 for the same space, the same time, the same number of sites.


I may be wrong, but I don't think National Parks are in the "for profit" business.

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Range Maggot Bob wrote:

Lynnmor wrote:

I have no problem with charging for the extras.


Good for you. I do. I bought the card in good faith and pay my taxes. I'm tired of buying things and then having to buy "extras" to really have everything. Hmmmph.....


They should refund your ten bucks and make you happy.





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