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monkey44

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One thing no one mentions - regards senior discount. We all understand the argument about paying all our lives in taxes which support NPS. Let's leave that for a moment ...

Most seniors live on fixed income, some still pay taxes, and most have a lot more time for camping in parks. If seniors have discounts, seniors will stay more often and longer in parks, spending the recreation part of their budget. So, basically, if you spend more nights, you spend more money and use less services per day over a longer period. Seniors buy food in the park, fuel in the park ... and some other services when available -boat launch fee, for example. In the long run, I bet seniors per pay much more into the NPS system annually than, say a family with three kids on vacation for a week or two. And, that family will use more services - that's not a complaint, just a factor to consider.

Seniors have earned a discount, and ultimately probably pay more support into the parks overall, then without a discount. I do know Genie and I spend more time in NPS than any other camping areas, and a part of that decision comes from the possibility of a discount for each camp night.

Sure, we can stay outside park, with hookups, and pool, and games for a similar amount as 'regular fees', but we don't. We stay in the parks because they are the parks, and the GC most often are a bit more space, a bit more private, and certainly much more beautiful than say the average private park, even tho most NPS have no hookups.

Each type of CG - private or public - has its place in all our camp-lives, but the parks are the parks, and the protection of these wilderness and watershed areas is more important than any other NPS purpose.


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DFord wrote:

A few years back the Supreme Court "Citizens United" gave BIG MONEY the right to use that money to control our government and nothing has been the same since (money=speech - the more you have the louder your voice).
The Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision isn’t really relevant to the issue of private management of National Parks, but that is not an accurate description of the Court’s decision. The Court merely held that the government could not suppress a book, film, or other communication because of its political content. Here’s a link to the decision for those who wish to read it, or google “Citizens United” for the plentiful commentary on it. It’s a somewhat controversial decision, but consistent with centuries of 1st Amendment law.


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I had to delete some posts for words like "geezers".

Let's please keep this thread civil so I don't need to close it.


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In the end it's all about services. If a private company can take over and give as good or better results without raising prices beyond reason then there shouldn't be any issues.

We had a new company come to Oregon and take over management of several FS campgrounds. They did improvements and changed a few of the ways they do visitor relations all without raising prices.
Ironically the new company is CLM ( California Land Management)

The end result will fall directly on who's chosen to run the parks.

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Posted: 10/12/19 12:14pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This article goes more into details.

Advisory council recommends expanding private business in national parks





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I temporarily closed the thread. One of the primary trolls is gone from the forum and I'm reopening it again.

* This post was edited 10/12/19 03:55pm by dedmiston *

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The thread is open again. Please play nice.

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dedmiston wrote:

I had to delete some posts for words like "geezers".

Let's please keep this thread civil so I don't need to close it.
Didn't know that word needed to be added to Richard Pryor's list.

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gemsworld wrote:

This article goes more into details.

Advisory council recommends expanding private business in national parks


Warren Meyers the fellow who I linked with the extensive comments about privatization points out that many USFS CG have been privatized for years. Personally I know that all three springs in Ocala NF are privatized. They generate a bit of minor irritation when they charge a small parking fee to Access card holders and Seniors I'm sure. But it's only a buck or two so no big deal. The springs show no sign of Disneyfication.


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westernrvparkowner wrote:

dedmiston wrote:

I had to delete some posts for words like "geezers".

Let's please keep this thread civil so I don't need to close it.
Didn't know that word needed to be added to Richard Pryor's list.

Now you do.

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