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DownTheAvenue

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Posted: 10/09/19 04:02pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ACZL wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:

Stop using the aftermarket fuel additives. You are told why your check engine light comes on. Diesel fuel already is formulated to prevent gelling right out of the pump. Isn't science amazing?


Try telling that to folks in areas where temps get down to -30 to -20.


My son drives an over the road tractor trailer Chicago and north into Minnesota and Wisconsin and has yest to put anything in the truck but the fuel that comes out of the pump. The refiners put in anti gel additives as it leaves the terminal. You can buy all the snake oil you want and put it into your truck to set off the check engine light and ultimately lead to a shorter life of those sensors. Its your truck and your wallet. Your dealer told you to stop.

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Posted: 10/09/19 06:14pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

DownTheAvenue wrote:

ACZL wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:

Stop using the aftermarket fuel additives. You are told why your check engine light comes on. Diesel fuel already is formulated to prevent gelling right out of the pump. Isn't science amazing?


Try telling that to folks in areas where temps get down to -30 to -20.


My son drives an over the road tractor trailer Chicago and north into Minnesota and Wisconsin and has yest to put anything in the truck but the fuel that comes out of the pump. The refiners put in anti gel additives as it leaves the terminal. You can buy all the snake oil you want and put it into your truck to set off the check engine light and ultimately lead to a shorter life of those sensors. Its your truck and your wallet. Your dealer told you to stop.



Many long hisl truck drivers that go from south to north in one tank need them because the fuel in the south doesn't have these additives.

Also, aside from California and Texas that have higher fuel requirements than the US federal standards, most states only meet the minimum federal diesel fuel standards of 40 octane and lower scar value. Not saying everyone needs it, but there are those that might.

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I worked for a trucking company in Denver that ran to California daily. In the winter we had no issues from Denver West with our treated fuel. However, on return trips we had fuel issues coming over the mountains. Fuel jelled in tractors and refrigeration units. Drivers were instructed to add an additive east bound due to the California or Nevada fuel which was blended for the local temperatures. Some call it snake oil, we called additives a necessity.

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Posted: 10/09/19 06:43pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Is this another Ford thing?

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ShinerBock wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:

ACZL wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:

Stop using the aftermarket fuel additives. You are told why your check engine light comes on. Diesel fuel already is formulated to prevent gelling right out of the pump. Isn't science amazing?


Try telling that to folks in areas where temps get down to -30 to -20.


My son drives an over the road tractor trailer Chicago and north into Minnesota and Wisconsin and has yest to put anything in the truck but the fuel that comes out of the pump. The refiners put in anti gel additives as it leaves the terminal. You can buy all the snake oil you want and put it into your truck to set off the check engine light and ultimately lead to a shorter life of those sensors. Its your truck and your wallet. Your dealer told you to stop.



Many long hisl truck drivers that go from south to north in one tank need them because the fuel in the south doesn't have these additives.

Also, aside from California and Texas that have higher fuel requirements than the US federal standards, most states only meet the minimum federal diesel fuel standards of 40 octane and lower scar value. Not saying everyone needs it, but there are those that might.


40 cetane...

Also I remember a couple years ago reading another diesel forum there was a serious rash of diesel fuel gelling up north. I didn't read of many issues this past winter.


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Flashman wrote:

Is this another Ford thing?


No, it is any diesel with NOx sensors which is all of them.

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FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:

ACZL wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:

Stop using the aftermarket fuel additives. You are told why your check engine light comes on. Diesel fuel already is formulated to prevent gelling right out of the pump. Isn't science amazing?


Try telling that to folks in areas where temps get down to -30 to -20.


My son drives an over the road tractor trailer Chicago and north into Minnesota and Wisconsin and has yest to put anything in the truck but the fuel that comes out of the pump. The refiners put in anti gel additives as it leaves the terminal. You can buy all the snake oil you want and put it into your truck to set off the check engine light and ultimately lead to a shorter life of those sensors. Its your truck and your wallet. Your dealer told you to stop.



Many long hisl truck drivers that go from south to north in one tank need them because the fuel in the south doesn't have these additives.

Also, aside from California and Texas that have higher fuel requirements than the US federal standards, most states only meet the minimum federal diesel fuel standards of 40 octane and lower scar value. Not saying everyone needs it, but there are those that might.


40 cetane...

Also I remember a couple years ago reading another diesel forum there was a serious rash of diesel fuel gelling up north. I didn't read of many issues this past winter.



Yeah, Texas fuel has a CN 48 minimum,California has a CN of 53 minimum, and all other states go by the federal standard which a CN 40 minimum. Most diesels operate at peak efficiency at CN levels between 48-50, especially diesels that rev high like most light duty diesels engines do. EU has a CN minimum of 51.

* This post was edited 10/11/19 07:53am by ShinerBock *

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1. Any dealer who can’t spell the broken part name, be suspect of.
2. They don’t know what you put in the fuel tank. So if you told them, shut up and don’t tell them
3. High doses of additives could affect sensor readings. But I’m no expert. Does it go away if you stop putting the snake oil in?
4. You don’t need anti gel except in specific situations where you live.
A. If you got a tank of fuel from down south and somehow make it back to cold weather.
B. If you’re traveling somewhere where this same condition is possible in the winter. (It is possible)
C. If it gets significantly colder than the expected low temps for that time of year. (-20 in October. -40 in Jan type of thing)


"Yes Sir, Oct 10 1888, Those poor school children froze to death in their tracks. They did not even find them until Spring. Especially hard hit were the ones who had to trek uphill to school both ways, with no shoes." -Bert A.

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