Campground washroom needs GFCI

[Dick_B]

I am currently at a very popular campground near Columbia, MO. Their washroom has one outlet next to the sink for hair dryers, etc. As far as I can tell is it not a GFCI probably because when this CG was built such a device was either not available or required.
So the questions is should I mention this deficiency to management or let it go?

[jplante4]

CLOSED

[beemerphile1]

ScottG wrote:

cavie wrote:

ScottG wrote:
It has to be protected since it's a commercial or public facility (goes for rentals too).
No grandfathering.

If it passed inspection before the GFI requirement the is no code to make them upgrade to GFI. Yes it can be grandfathered.

Per NEC, NOT in a commercial, public or rental property. I have been though this many times and I am 100% sure of this.
Now if some local yocals don't adopt NEC requirements then anything goes but the code is clear.

True, before retirement I did commercial property management and renovating. Health and safety is NOT grandfathered.

[dodge_guy]

I hate to know what happens when they OP finds out they're out of TP!!! Do they go to the office or come on here and ask what to do? 😉

[time2roll]

I would just get on with my day. Your call.

Have reported bad ground and reverse polarity at pedestals with no action when I returned a year later. No longer my fight as long as I feel reasonably safe.

[Cummins12V98]

ppine wrote:
NEC Natonal Electrical Code requirement.

Current code yes. Show me where it requires them to upgrade.

[Mickeyfan0805]

Grit dog wrote:
Was waiting for the MYOFB replies. Agree.

Yep! Campground owners have enough to worry about with inspectors and compliance requirements. My guess is that this is likely a non-issue as it is probably tied to a GFCI elsewhere (we had one house where the GFCI covering the bathroom was on the back deck!). Even if not, why make such an issue of it as a camper. Enjoy your time and move on!

[Grit_dog]

Was waiting for the MYOFB replies. Agree.

[ppine]

NEC Natonal Electrical Code requirement.

[DownTheAvenue]

westernrvparkowner wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
As noted, could very well be slaved from another GFCI. But if so it should have a GFCI Protected sticker on it.

Could just as easily been installed before GFCI was required and grandfathered in. In that case the owner probably in no hurry to upgrade.

That is how ours are wired and they don't have stickers. Someone making a fuss about GFCIs in the bathrooms, or even worse testing them, is someone I would actively look to get out of the park as soon as possible. Definitely wouldn't extend their stay, would note in the records to not take them again, and if the made too much of a scene I would refund their money and send them on down the road immediately. To me, that is a person who is looking for a problem and won't be happy until they find one. If the GFCI is fine, they will keep looking. I am more than fine in having them pursue happiness elsewhere.

Well said!

[ksg5000]

I use circuit breaker GFI's at my rentals - keeps down the unnecessary calls when tenant or his kid accidentally pressed the test button and has no clue why their lights went out. Most of the campground I visit don't have local GFI's and I have always assumed they do something similar - doesn't matter to me since I don't use the electrical outlets in the bathroom. If the campground says they aren't protected does that mean your going to move ... if not then don't waste your time.

[naturist]

Dick_B wrote:
I am currently at a very popular campground near Columbia, MO. Their washroom has one outlet next to the sink for hair dryers, etc. As far as I can tell is it not a GFCI probably because when this CG was built such a device was either not available or required.
So the questions is should I mention this deficiency to management or let it go?

Bad assumption on your part.

The necessary GFCI hardware can be located on an outlet OR on the circuit breaker in the distribution box. Either way, one GFCI device will protect the entire circuit. So, unless you checked the distribution box and tracked down every single outlet on that circuit, there's no way to know if any given outlet is GFCI protected.

[Darryl_Rita]

westernrvparkowner wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
As noted, could very well be slaved from another GFCI. But if so it should have a GFCI Protected sticker on it.

Could just as easily been installed before GFCI was required and grandfathered in. In that case the owner probably in no hurry to upgrade.

That is how ours are wired and they don't have stickers. Someone making a fuss about GFCIs in the bathrooms, or even worse testing them, is someone I would actively look to get out of the park as soon as possible. Definitely wouldn't extend their stay, would note in the records to not take them again, and if the made too much of a scene I would refund their money and send them on down the road immediately. To me, that is a person who is looking for a problem and won't be happy until they find one. If the GFCI is fine, they will keep looking. I am more than fine in having them pursue happiness elsewhere.

Yup, heartily agree.

[westernrvparkow]

BB_TX wrote:
As noted, could very well be slaved from another GFCI. But if so it should have a GFCI Protected sticker on it.

Could just as easily been installed before GFCI was required and grandfathered in. In that case the owner probably in no hurry to upgrade.

That is how ours are wired and they don't have stickers. Someone making a fuss about GFCIs in the bathrooms, or even worse testing them, is someone I would actively look to get out of the park as soon as possible. Definitely wouldn't extend their stay, would note in the records to not take them again, and if the made too much of a scene I would refund their money and send them on down the road immediately. To me, that is a person who is looking for a problem and won't be happy until they find one. If the GFCI is fine, they will keep looking. I am more than fine in having them pursue happiness elsewhere.

[Cummins12V98]

ScottG wrote:
It has to be protected since it's a commercial or public facility (goes for rentals too).
No grandfathering.

Is that a US code, State or local?

Like a friend says "show me".