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troubledwaters, now you're gettin a little creepy, searching for past posts.
Now look past your nose far enough to understand that you and I agree that a 1/2 ton can tow within it's limits or whatever just fine.

That's not what you were asserting 2 pages ago. You said that 1/2 ton will do " A F150/1500 truck is just as capable of towing within its tow rating as a F350/3500" . Which is false.

I can fly from here to Omaha in a Cessna or a 737. Both are rated to haul me there. The Cessna will not do it just as good even though it will do it just fine.

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Posted: 09/12/19 04:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

troubledwaters wrote:

There is no evidence to indicate an F150 can't tow all day every day within its tow ratings without incurring any more adverse effects than a F350 would at the comparable duty point.


This is the comment that everybody is calling BS on. Throw a 10k lb trailer behind an F150 and the same behind and F350 and there's no question which truck will wear better over time.


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Posted: 09/12/19 05:01pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Take a look under any 1/2 ton... Then do the same with a 3/-1 ton.
Everything is larger underneath a HD truck.

When it comes to towing serious weight....
Size matters.



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IdaD wrote:

troubledwaters wrote:

There is no evidence to indicate an F150 can't tow all day every day within its tow ratings without incurring any more adverse effects than a F350 would at the comparable duty point.


This is the comment that everybody is calling BS on. Throw a 10k lb trailer behind an F150 and the same behind and F350 and there's no question which truck will wear better over time.
Maybe it wasn't clear, "Comparable duty point" was intended to mean an F150 operating at 100% of its tow rating (or whatever parameter you want to compare) compared to a F350 operating at 100% of its tow rating ( or whatever rating you're comparing). 100% vs. 100%

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Bert Ackerman wrote:

troubledwaters wrote:

Bert Ackerman wrote:

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Bert Ackerman wrote:

..If anyone believes a 1500 truck is just as capable because it has the same or more payload as a 2500 truck, or based any other number like tow ratings, or has some super duper package, they're living in Fantasyland.
Or maybe you're living in fantasyland. A F150/1500 truck is just as capable of towing within its tow rating as a F350/3500 is of towing within its ratings. I believe all models are now tested and rated per J2807 standard.

I knew better than to get involved in this foolishness. You all have fun hashing it out, I'm going down to the bar and see if I can get an early bird special on happy hour.
There is nothing more that needs to be hashed out. The trucks are tested and rated per the standard. Enjoy your beer.


I think it's more than safe to bet that this thread will still be getting hashed 90 days from now. The Beer is cold, the Bourbon divine.



Still Hashin...................ROFLMDO......TV Adequacy? More like TV Lunacy.

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IdaD wrote:

troubledwaters wrote:

There is no evidence to indicate an F150 can't tow all day every day within its tow ratings without incurring any more adverse effects than a F350 would at the comparable duty point.


This is the comment that everybody is calling BS on. Throw a 10k lb trailer behind an F150 and the same behind and F350 and there's no question which truck will wear better over time.

I think the point you are missing is “Duty Point” the one ton would need to be towing at near their max tow rating. Likely in the 20,000# range.


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troubledwaters wrote:

IdaD wrote:

troubledwaters wrote:

There is no evidence to indicate an F150 can't tow all day every day within its tow ratings without incurring any more adverse effects than a F350 would at the comparable duty point.


This is the comment that everybody is calling BS on. Throw a 10k lb trailer behind an F150 and the same behind and F350 and there's no question which truck will wear better over time.
Maybe it wasn't clear, "Comparable duty point" was intended to mean an F150 operating at 100% of its tow rating (or whatever parameter you want to compare) compared to a F350 operating at 100% of its tow rating ( or whatever rating you're comparing). 100% vs. 100%
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I think the point you are missing is “Duty Point” the one ton would need to be towing at near their max tow rating. Likely in the 20,000# range.




Wait just a minute.... Did this not start out as a thread touting 1/2 ton capabilities that were equal or better than some of their HD counterparts?

And once that argument fell flat, now the argument is changing.

I see how it is.

Go back and reread the first post.


* This post was edited 09/13/19 01:43am by Huntindog *

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It’s like trying to explain sex to a virgin....


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BenK wrote:

It’s like trying to explain sex to a virgin....


How old was the young lady that explained it to you?


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People need to understand what the j2807 standard is that’s used to set the rating. It’s a standardized test performed wth very specific equipment under very specific conditions with very specific rules. The average consumer will not operate the vehicle under those conditions with the same equipment. Once the trailer, loading, and road conditions change so does how the vehicle performs. The test is to determine the maximum trailer tow weight which not how you would what to tow a RV across country. A good way to judge TV capability for RVs is to stay away from the maximum pin/hitch weight and apply the recommended hitch and pin weight requirements for the trailer type.


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