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5th Wheel suggestions with garage

Eyetattoo
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The time has come to upgrade from our current bumper pull to a larger 5th wheel.

As you can see in my signature we currently have a 26ft Attitude with no slides. On the new rig we want:

5th wheel
Walk around Queen/King bed
12ft min garage with Queen beds
At least 2 slides
Access to the bedroom, bathroom & fridge with the slides in
Hoping to stay between 30-38 feet.

Thanks for the suggestions, hoping it will save us time when we go window shopping!
2015 2500HD Duramax LTZ Crew Cab
2005 26' Attitude Toy Hauler
2007 GSXR600
2004 YFZ450
2006 TRX90
2013 Raptor 90
2007 Raptor 350

Is it time to camp yet?!
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Eyetattoo
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2001400ex wrote:
Eyetattoo wrote:
Anyone have experience with the Momentum line of Toy Haulers? Just home from a RV show and really liked the layout of the 349M.


Looks like a great toy hauler. Living room a little smaller than I'd personally like. But the dry pin weight is over 2,900 pounds. I'm not sure you'd be happy for one second pulling that with a 3/4 ton. The engine and transmission are fine. But you'd squat pretty bad and not sure it would feel stable. So you'd want a 1 ton or need to do work to yours like additional springs and better tires.

I don't want to get into legality (as I'm over weight myself when I'm loaded), but you will be over the manufacturer weight limit.
Yeah they are on the heavy side. I already have upgraded tires with load ratings of 3,640 per tire and tow bags are going on regardless of the trailer we go with to keep the truck from squatting.

I know there could be weight issues but that is not what my questions are about. I am more interested in finding a quality hauler that meets most of our wants. If a new truck is needed, so be it.
2015 2500HD Duramax LTZ Crew Cab
2005 26' Attitude Toy Hauler
2007 GSXR600
2004 YFZ450
2006 TRX90
2013 Raptor 90
2007 Raptor 350

Is it time to camp yet?!

2001400ex
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Eyetattoo wrote:
Anyone have experience with the Momentum line of Toy Haulers? Just home from a RV show and really liked the layout of the 349M.


Looks like a great toy hauler. Living room a little smaller than I'd personally like. But the dry pin weight is over 2,900 pounds. I'm not sure you'd be happy for one second pulling that with a 3/4 ton. The engine and transmission are fine. But you'd squat pretty bad and not sure it would feel stable. So you'd want a 1 ton or need to do work to yours like additional springs and better tires.

I don't want to get into legality (as I'm over weight myself when I'm loaded), but you will be over the manufacturer weight limit.
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2020 GMC Denali 3500 Duramax
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tinner12002
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Eyetattoo wrote:
Anyone have experience with the Momentum line of Toy Haulers? Just home from a RV show and really liked the layout of the 349M.


No experience with Momentum but looking at their specs, they are heavy. That's all I'm saying about it.
2015 Ram 3500/DRW/Aisin/auto/Max tow/4.10s,Cummins, stock Laramie Limited--Silver
Tequila Sunrise 2012 Ultra Classic Limited
2018 Raptor 428SP

Eyetattoo
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Anyone have experience with the Momentum line of Toy Haulers? Just home from a RV show and really liked the layout of the 349M.
2015 2500HD Duramax LTZ Crew Cab
2005 26' Attitude Toy Hauler
2007 GSXR600
2004 YFZ450
2006 TRX90
2013 Raptor 90
2007 Raptor 350

Is it time to camp yet?!

KeysHauler
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tinner12002 wrote:
CampingN.C. wrote:
As usual on here things almost immediately turn to the weight topic. The OP asked for opinions on model floor plans, not what he can/cannot tow. For all we know he's trading for an F450 tomorrow !


Yes he could be but he didn't indicate that so based on his sig I was just giving him my opinion at what floorplans/sizes he should be looking at compared to what his current truck can safely tow. He didn't ask about a specific floorplan to give opinions on. The OP doesn't have to take my or anyone else's opinions but having had 3 different toy haulers I know they are heavy and want everyone to be safe and enjoy their camping experience and not be white knuckled the whole time when towing.


First time poster here and since the weight issue came up, I have a newbie question. I'm looking into 2006/8 35' TH with advertised 1500 empty pin. On paper it looks good but obviously it will vary depending on loading, empty/ full tanks, genset etc. My question to the dirt bike folks is.....If you load say.. 3 dirt bikes in the aft portion of the garage, how will that effect pin weight and CG? seems you could manipulate the pin weight to some extent based on loading.. yes? no?
don't mean to hijack the thread but thought this was good place to ask since the weight issue surfaced. Thank You
Ken

tinner12002
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CampingN.C. wrote:
As usual on here things almost immediately turn to the weight topic. The OP asked for opinions on model floor plans, not what he can/cannot tow. For all we know he's trading for an F450 tomorrow !


Yes he could be but he didn't indicate that so based on his sig I was just giving him my opinion at what floorplans/sizes he should be looking at compared to what his current truck can safely tow. He didn't ask about a specific floorplan to give opinions on. The OP doesn't have to take my or anyone else's opinions but having had 3 different toy haulers I know they are heavy and want everyone to be safe and enjoy their camping experience and not be white knuckled the whole time when towing.
2015 Ram 3500/DRW/Aisin/auto/Max tow/4.10s,Cummins, stock Laramie Limited--Silver
Tequila Sunrise 2012 Ultra Classic Limited
2018 Raptor 428SP

CampingN_C_
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As usual on here things almost immediately turn to the weight topic. The OP asked for opinions on model floor plans, not what he can/cannot tow. For all we know he's trading for an F450 tomorrow !
2018 Ram 3500 DRW CCLB Aisin 4.10 4x4

2018 Jayco Talon 413T
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tinner12002
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This is right out of the towing guide but not here to argue.
2500 Std Bed 4WD 6.6L V-8 TD 13,000/14,000 (i)=3.73 gearing
It does list the 3500 SRW with a 17,500 cap. This is from a 2015 tow guide.
Even without that being considered your going to be over your GVWR for your truck with a Toy hauler like your wanting. Just my opinion.
2015 Ram 3500/DRW/Aisin/auto/Max tow/4.10s,Cummins, stock Laramie Limited--Silver
Tequila Sunrise 2012 Ultra Classic Limited
2018 Raptor 428SP

Eyetattoo
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tinner12002 wrote:
I'd find it hard to believe you'll find a toy hauler in the size your looking for that you can tow with your truck and stay within the manuf ratings. Even the lighter ones at 30-34 ft are going to have a pin of 1800lbs or more which doesn't leave you much room for fuel, stuff or passengers. Looking up your truck I see it is only rated to tow 14K for a 5th wheel.
The Vortec has a capacity of 14,000.....the Duramax has a capacity of 17,100.
2015 2500HD Duramax LTZ Crew Cab
2005 26' Attitude Toy Hauler
2007 GSXR600
2004 YFZ450
2006 TRX90
2013 Raptor 90
2007 Raptor 350

Is it time to camp yet?!

tinner12002
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I'd find it hard to believe you'll find a toy hauler in the size your looking for that you can tow with your truck and stay within the manuf ratings. Even the lighter ones at 30-34 ft are going to have a pin of 1800lbs or more which doesn't leave you much room for fuel, stuff or passengers. Looking up your truck I see it is only rated to tow 14K for a 5th wheel.
2015 Ram 3500/DRW/Aisin/auto/Max tow/4.10s,Cummins, stock Laramie Limited--Silver
Tequila Sunrise 2012 Ultra Classic Limited
2018 Raptor 428SP

atwowheelguy
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It's easy to exceed the GVWR on 250/2500 diesel trucks when hitching up fifth wheel toy haulers.


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2013 F150 XLT SCrew 5.5' 3.5 EB, 3.55, 2WD, 1607# Payload, EAZ Lift WDH
Toy Hauler: 2010 Fun Finder XT-245, 5025# new, 6640-7180# loaded, 900# TW, Voyager wireless rear view camera
Toys: '66 Super Hawk, XR400R, SV650, XR650R, DL650 V-Strom, 525EXC, 500EXC

CampingN_C_
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Also check the new Jayco Talon lineup. I've got the 413 on order. Not sure about the frig access but the bedroom is fully accessible and it has a 13ft garage. They are a new line for 18 so there's not many out yet.
Two year warranty and structurally built the same as the Seismics only a watered down version, option wise.
2018 Ram 3500 DRW CCLB Aisin 4.10 4x4

2018 Jayco Talon 413T
B&W Companion

JAC1982
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Our Impact 351 fits all of your requirements except for the access... bedroom and bathroom aren't accessible with the bedroom slide closed. Comes in at 38'1". I'm not sure I've seen a hauler that would fit the access requirement.

Check out Dutchman Triton and XLR Nitros, both have models that fit the requirements except the slide part.

Also, nice to see other Central CA folks... I grew up in Visalia and went to Fresno State ๐Ÿ™‚
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busterja21
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have you checked the puma 351thss, only 1 slide, but its a big slide (sofa and dinette) and weights are reasonable for a 3/4 ton. unfortunately its not a widebody which is a deal breaker for me.
2019 CC F350
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2013 Yamaha grizzly 550 (hers)
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