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demiles wrote:
FYI, The maximum pin weight you will find on a 2017-2018 F150 is 1755 lbs. Ford doesnโt come right out and list max pin weight but it is 15% of the TWR of the truck regardless of available payload. So even if you have 2300 lbs of payload Ford says you canโt use that for pin or hitch weight, only truck payload. I contacted them directly and this is Fordโs explanation of how it works not mine.
โDec-03-2017 03:57 AM
Palindat wrote:
What if you were to tow a 11000 lb trailer with a (i think it called a toad) with zero hitch weight. Is that posible.
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Work with facts, not rumor
โNov-19-2017 07:32 AM
demiles wrote:
Call it whatever you want but itโs no claim on my part, it came right from Ford. First from a Ford commercial truck salesman then a phone call to Ford. Your right they donโt come right out and say what the max pin weight is, which is the reason I asked in the first place. If you check any other manufacturers ratings you will find that the max pin weight is 15% of the 5th wheel TWR.
โNov-18-2017 01:40 PM
โNov-18-2017 01:18 PM
spud1957 wrote:rhagfo wrote:spud1957 wrote:
The info demiles provided is correct. Read Ford's 2017 F150 Towing Guide notes on page 3 for 5th wheel towing;
1.Calculated with SAE J2807 method
Note: Trailer king pin load weight should be 15% of total loaded trailer weight. Make sure vehicle payload (reduce by option weight) will accommodate trailer king pin load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue load weight and weight of passengers and cargo cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label
F150 Towing Guide
Yep! Another Ford slide of hand, first is was stripper base trucks less spare tire and rear bumpe, now you can carry/tow an 11,700# 5er, BUT you need to keep the pin weight to 15% of the 11,700# or 1,755#. Now as a 5er tower, towing a 5er with ONLY 15% pin weight is going to be one rough ride, it will chuck like crazy! That and to get to 15% on almost all 5ers you would need to load heavy behind the axles, this could make for an ill handling 5er.
No that is not the total available payload of that F150, BUT they know there are other things that eat payload, passengers, fuel, hitch, and stuff!
Now that 11,700# 5er with a realistic 20% to 22% that would be 2,340# to 2,574# pin!
You might want to check your Ram towing guides before anyone points their finger at Ford.
Ram does the same.
Take a look at the note #7.
http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2016/docs/ram/rammlup3500.pdf
For those that won't bother looking, here it is;
Tongue weight: 10 percent of the gross trailer weight for Conventional Hitch, 15 percent of the gross trailer weight for a 5th Wheel or Gooseneck hitch.
As far as no bumper or spare tire. I call BS on that. Ford uses J2807 just as Ram. Show me where this internet folklore is stated.
Take a look at the Ram 2500 guide. There are tow ratings there for certain models that if you use 20% pin weight, you will also exceed your payload as well.
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