2017 SD trailer tow rating

[Sunnyside42]

Hey Folks,
I'm 80% through the selection process and realized I should probably go back and check my travel trailer tow rating math. I'm looking at the 2017 Super Duty specs and I'm trying to determine which limit applies to the F250 I'm currently negotiating.

On this page (link) I see two max trailer tow ratings 15Klbs and 17.6Klbs. The truck config is as follows: F250, 4x4, SCrew, 6.7, lariat

Last question. If the payload sticker is 2190 and I load up say 1,100 pounds on the hitch does that mean I can put another 1090lbs of people, fuel and stuff in the bed?

Thanks!

[slapshot12]

4x4ord wrote:
So I'll say it again: An F350 diesel equipped the same as an F250 diesel can carry about twice the hitch weight as the f250.

Not quite twice, but it's much more. My '15 F-250 had a cargo capacity of 2204 (max vehicle weight 10k) and my new '17 F-350's capacity is 3477 (11.5k max vehicle weight). The 2 trucks were nearly identically equipped, crew cab, diesel, 4x4, Lariat,etc.

I made a list of 12 5th wheel toy haulers and found that I would only comfortably tow 2 of the 12 with the 250, and both would have been legally overweight and reliant on air bags to be level. So upgrading to a 350 was an easy decision. It makes trailer shopping a little more difficult, but now I can get exactly what I want and not worry about pin weight.

My advice to anyone who will be towing, especially if you are near your trucks weight limits, or concerned about weight, just go to the next higher level of truck. I wish I would have got a 350 in '15, but we weren't planning on a 5th wheel at all back then.

[4x4ord]

So I'll say it again: An F350 diesel equipped the same as an F250 diesel can carry about twice the hitch weight as the f250.

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harmanrk wrote:

transferred wrote:
Given that the OP clearly stated he's looking at diesels, with due respect yours is an irrelevant post lacking accuracy. An identically equipped F350 SRW 6.7 does not have only "480 pounds" of capacity than an F250 6.7 it has more than 1,000 pounds. Go check the website. Hopefully you're not one of those 3/4 ton owners who think the door sticker doesn't matter.

I'm not sure where you get your information, but from the booklet available from your local dealer, highlighting what it probably the most common configuration (At least on the lots around me), and what the OP was looking at (crew cab, short bed):

F250, 10000GVWR 3450
F350, 10000GVWR 3240 Yup 210 pounds less
F350, 11500GVWR 3930 My calculator shows that as a mere 480 pounds

Yes, these payloads are for a stripped down model, but every option selected should subtract the same across the board. Not only can I read stickers, but I can also read published charts.

I can see why the booklet is confusing, as it makes no differentiation (typical for OEMs). . But reason the 10k F250 and 11,500 F350 srw have such a similar (500 lbs) listed payload is because the 3/4 ton has a gasser and the 1-ton a diesel.

With the same engine the two vehicles have c.300 lbs between them as regards curb weight so do the math.

[harmanrk]

transferred wrote:
Given that the OP clearly stated he's looking at diesels, with due respect yours is an irrelevant post lacking accuracy. An identically equipped F350 SRW 6.7 does not have only "480 pounds" of capacity than an F250 6.7 it has more than 1,000 pounds. Go check the website. Hopefully you're not one of those 3/4 ton owners who think the door sticker doesn't matter.

I'm not sure where you get your information, but from the booklet available from your local dealer, highlighting what it probably the most common configuration (At least on the lots around me), and what the OP was looking at (crew cab, short bed):

F250, 10000GVWR 3450
F350, 10000GVWR 3240 Yup 210 pounds less
F350, 11500GVWR 3930 My calculator shows that as a mere 480 pounds

Yes, these payloads are for a stripped down model, but every option selected should subtract the same across the board. Not only can I read stickers, but I can also read published charts.

[Bedlam]

My 2005 F250 with diesel weighed 7250 lbs and had a 9800 lb GVWR - I was usually closer 12,500 lbs GVW and 19,500 lbs GCW when packed up and ready to camp. It can be done, but I had to spend about $3000 in upgrades to do this safely in 2012. It would cost you over $4000 today and any remaining warranty is void that you have not already run out. This is something I would not hesitate to do again on a vehicle outside of warranty but would rather buy a stock vehicle that is capable given the choice.

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harmanrk wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
Why are you looking at an f250 rather than a f350 srw? They are almost identical in everyway including price....the difference is the f350 has overload springs and can carry twice the hitch weight of an f250.

Not sure what you mean by those. The F250 has 210 pound MORE payload than the F350 SRW for any given configuration at both the 9900 and 10000 weight ratings (the 350 is a heavier truck). Even at the F350s highest SRW rating of 11500 the payload only tops the F250 by 480 pounds, which is not much given what insurance rates do above 10000 (at least in my state)

The receiver on my F250 is rated at 21000 trailer weight, 2100 tongue weight (both carrying and distributed, which fly's in the face of everything I have seen before in hitches), same as any F350 SRW configuration.

Given that the OP clearly stated he's looking at diesels, with due respect yours is an irrelevant post lacking accuracy. An identically equipped F350 SRW 6.7 does not have only "480 pounds" of capacity than an F250 6.7 it has more than 1,000 pounds. Go check the website. Hopefully you're not one of those 3/4 ton owners who think the door sticker doesn't matter.

[harmanrk]

4x4ord wrote:
Why are you looking at an f250 rather than a f350 srw? They are almost identical in everyway including price....the difference is the f350 has overload springs and can carry twice the hitch weight of an f250.

Not sure what you mean by those. The F250 has 210 pound MORE payload than the F350 SRW for any given configuration at both the 9900 and 10000 weight ratings (the 350 is a heavier truck). Even at the F350s highest SRW rating of 11500 the payload only tops the F250 by 480 pounds, which is not much given what insurance rates do above 10000 (at least in my state)

The receiver on my F250 is rated at 21000 trailer weight, 2100 tongue weight (both carrying and distributed, which fly's in the face of everything I have seen before in hitches), same as any F350 SRW configuration.

[4x4ord]

Why are you looking at an f250 rather than a f350 srw? They are almost identical in everyway including price....the difference is the f350 has overload springs and can carry twice the hitch weight of an f250.

[Grit_dog]

harmanrk wrote:

SouthpawHD wrote:
Watch the ACTUAL payload. I saw a 2017 SD CC 4x4 6.7 with a payload of around 1,8xx pounds.

I'm sure you can load one up with options to bring the patload down, but 2017 SD CC 4X4 6.7 XLT 2355 payload.

And it won't flinch at either load, so sort of a moot point. 3klbs start them sagging and still not over any other rating other than the class 2 gvw of 10klbs.

[harmanrk]

SouthpawHD wrote:
Watch the ACTUAL payload. I saw a 2017 SD CC 4x4 6.7 with a payload of around 1,8xx pounds.

I'm sure you can load one up with options to bring the patload down, but 2017 SD CC 4X4 6.7 XLT 2355 payload.

[Txsurfer]

I believe from my research on here- Don't exceed your tire, axle, & GCVWR and you should be solid.

[Powerdude]

Pretty sure you are looking at the difference between either the shortbed at 15k and the long bed at 17k for the F250 4x4 configuration.

In any case, the diesel engine won't care if its 15k or 17k back there.

The truck won't care if it's carrying 2100 or 2400 lbs. The lawyers probably might, if you get into an accident.

If you care about lawyer numbers, get the F350 for an extra $1000 bucks to cover that.

Payload ratings on tires are more important than some covering posterior end lawyer payload numbers. Tires are made of rubber, which can heat up and pop.

[SouthpawHD]

Watch the ACTUAL payload. I saw a 2017 SD CC 4x4 6.7 with a payload of around 1,8xx pounds.

[slapshot12]

I'd buy a 350. I got a 250 w/ the 10k GVW option and I'm limited to around 2100 of cargo weight. Now that we want a 5th wheel toy hauler, I'm going to be slightly over the "legal" weight. I know the truck will tow a 12k/2300 pin weight toy hauler easily, but I'll be overweight. I have airbags on the truck already to level out the load with my current trailer. The 250 rear end does squat quite a bit, so you may look at adding them. The downside of a 350 SRW is finding one. I have 3 large dealers around me and there are only around 8-10 combined at all of them. The '17 aren't discounted nearly as much as my '15 was. I'm still torn to shell out $64k for a new 350 or not.