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Aridon

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Posted: 09/12/17 08:20pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I think a lot of folks really don't comprehend a few facts about these storms:

1. Intensity varies based on location and movement of the eye significantly. Being on the NE quadrant of the storm is significantly more potent than the SW side. Everything from the wind intensity, rain, storm surge and tornadoes are different.

2. Power fluctuates based on where the storm is and how it interacts with what it is traveling over. This particular storm rode the Cuba coast and weakened significantly only to move up into FL straits and strengthen again before landfall. If it had missed cuba or skirted a bit to the north and the results would of been quite different.

3. These storms travel 3k+ miles to get here. A 30-50 mile difference in track on impact and the storm misses Cuba and basically destroys the east coast of FL with 180 MPH winds. I don't think people comprehend how close we came to this occurring and how lucky we are that it didn't happen.

So take all that into consideration please. We got VERY lucky with this storm. We will not always be lucky. Even weakened this thing did significant damage to the keys and Naples. Fortunately Florida tends to build things pretty well and is relatively new overall so they can eat a Cat 3 and its like getting a Cat 1 in most other parts of the country.

The news on the East coast of FL,especially the northern counties was a bit over blown. What you need to remember though is that even a tiny jog east and it would of been much stronger. So I can cut them some slack on that even if it was a bit much with the street signs shaking in 70 mph gusts.

One final thing, the weather channel has been a joke for decades. Use weather nation or one of the local feeds for weather sans drama.


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Yeah, bullets dodged. We live in tornado country and typically get a couple of intense thunderstorms each year. It pays to know what is happening and online radar w/NWS makes it fairly easy to dodge bullets.

When my kids were young, the local emergency service people thought it a good idea to start the sirens during nearly every heavy thunder storm. Scared the little girl all to heck. The TV news people thought it was a good thing to add in their own hyperbole. Eventually, nobody paid any attention to the sirens and the media folks backed off. Things are now back to normal.

Hopes and prayers out to all those affected by the recent hurricanes. The Caribbean looks to be a real mess.


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Aridon wrote:



One final thing, the weather channel has been a joke for decades. Use weather nation or one of the local feeds for weather sans drama.


LOL, that's the truth right there.

They really became a joke when they started naming thunderstorms or cold fronts. What's next, naming individual clouds lol?
They do however have better looking gals than WeatherNation, that's important. I certainly would not toss that Stephanie what's her name out for eating crackers.

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Posted: 09/13/17 05:54am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

someone wrote:

People left their jobs, communities, volunteer services, etc. all just to flee a storm that didn't need to be fled
Yea - hindsight is always 20/20.

And to the person who thinks Florida dodged a bullet, I'm thinking a whole lot of people coming back to flooded houses or trees smashed through roofs in my neighborhood would most likely disagree.


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Stephanie Abrams, yeah toss her, for getting emotional/crying while describing the eclipse. I'm going back to watching NASCAR, they talk about the weather in a very adult way......[emoticon]


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Fl. Dodged the bullet in the respect of human life loss many lives were saved by evacuations. The media is the media what can you say or do they will always spin a disaster into what ever drama that keeps us glued to the tv.
Fl. did not doge the bullet as far as loss of property. The losses will be in the billions and the american taxpayers will fund much of the rebuilding as we should. Couple Irma and Harvey and the losses are staggering. These storms have created a major drain on the US economy.


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We actually found ourselves watching Weather Nation and local news broadcasts more than anything. Once in a while, we'd flip over to the Weather Channel if we needed to lighten the mood a little. One of my favorite moments was watching some woman broadcaster on scene in Tampa before the storm hit, and she was showing a repeating loop of a flimsy roof that was getting blown off some sort of shed or parking structure. She kept saying that she didn't know the age of the roof, condition of the roof, who it belonged to, the type of roof, the type of structure, etc. And then she finished with: "that was during the daylight hours, and now this is night time" (as she was standing in the dark). Well duh. Another good moment was a male broadcaster standing on the beach in a full rainsuit while holding onto a rope tether. There were teenage looking boys in the background frolicking around trying to get some camera action. Just love it.

Yes, FL dodged the bullet that was forecasted 5 days before the storm. They were reporting that this could potentially be a CAT6 hurricane, but as days went on, it became apparent that it wasn't going to be as bad as the weather people were hoping. So I don't really believe we dodged anything...because we got what we were going to get anyway.


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2012Coleman wrote:


And to the person who thinks Florida dodged a bullet, I'm thinking a whole lot of people coming back to flooded houses or trees smashed through roofs in my neighborhood would most likely disagree.


Unless the media and FEMA are just blowing smoke, 25% of homes in the Keys totally destroyed, 65% have major damage, 90% some amount of damage.

Source ARTICLE

Of course, it goes on to be disputed.

Monroe County officials on Tuesday night were quick to counter FEMA estimates, saying no official estimates of percentages or dollar amounts of damages had been done.

"Things look real damaged from the air, but when you clear the trees and all the debris, it’s not much damage to the houses," Monroe County Commissioner Heather Carruthers said in a statement released by the county Tuesday night.


One things for sure, if they are even 1/2 accurate that's not really dodging any bullets.

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Posted: 09/13/17 08:19am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If you want to see the damage to the Keys, here's a clicky for you. Zoom into the Keys region...

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Yes, FL did dodge a bullet. Extreme damage was confined to a very small area compared to what could have been with only a very small course change of the storm. A very big deal to those in the keys who lost everything in the Keys but even there, severe damage was confined to the relatively small area that the eye wall, where the most severe wind is, went over.

A quick glance at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ tells you how far hurricane force winds extend from center in each direction. Armed with this valuable information you can get an idea of if you will experience hurricane force winds in your area.

As far as wind damage, not surge, goes if you live in a hurricane prone area & do not spend the extra money to build to withstand a hurricane, chances are that even a minor storm is going to blow your house away. How many houses in FL have been built or reinforced to hurricane code?

Regarding weather people, I don't pay much attention to them. A few years ago a hurricane was bearing down on Bermuda. Since nothing was threatening the US at the time a TV crew from a certain channel showed up to cover what looked like a sure storm hit.

It didn't happen. Like Irma there was a slight course change which made all the difference in the world. We barely got storm force winds. Undeterred we hear that this TV crew gets ahold of a large fan placed off camera to create some wind for their live 'reports'. Made themselves look stupid with the calm ocean waters in the background.


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