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Posted: 01/11/18 05:51pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Good looking rig and good report


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Hybridhunter wrote:

Great thread, and thanks for the reports and details, and the HONEST towing mileage.
Consider the Omega tune from OZ to clean up the shifting and whatnot. I swore I'd never do a tune, and ended up with the daptive tune from OZ. Unbelievably good.

Also agree on the rear shock upgrade, the OEM ream shocks on the F150 just don't cut it. First truck I've ever replaced new shocks.


They do not appear to make a tune for the 3.5l EB motor. Never heard of them either. I'll stick with someone that I know, with experience. 5* most likely once they get the bugs worked out of their 2018 Perf/Tow tune.

Next mod will likely be Rancho 9000XLs for the front anyway. Power isn't an issue at this point. [emoticon]

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Posted: 01/12/18 04:37pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

My mistake, for some reason I thought you had the 5.0

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An update to this thread. The major change to my rig for this trip is a new Husky Centerline TS 32218 WDH with 1200 lb bars. This upgrade from my old EZ Lift 1000 lb round bar w/dual friction bars setup made a massive difference.

I did 900 miles of towing this week, about 16 hours driving, averaged about 8.7 MPG during a Portland OR to Eureka CA round-trip. I5, 199, and 101, with a wide variety of road conditions and speeds. 65 on the freeway with some long hills, weaving through the redwoods at 30 MPH on narrow, chewed up 199/101 with quite a few 6 & 7% climbs/descents, and high winds along the coast on 101 South.

Weights were pretty much as usual - ~3300 on the front, ~4500 on the rear axle, ~7700 GVW, trailer at about 7800 lbs from 4 people, 3 dogs, with the toy hauler lightly loaded. So around 15,500 lbs total. The truck tows this load beautifully, never lacking power, almost always in the right gear (T/H Mode with 10th and sometimes 9th locked out), with a quiet, comfortable ride. The big difference this trip was due to the new WDH. Stability was much better - I had zero push/suck when passing or being passed, and in the high winds along the coast (40 MPH broadside from my right) even though I could feel the gusts hit, she tracked very true. In addition, the bobbing effect I noticed in the front suspension before, from dips or big bumps, is greatly reduced. Never a white knuckle moment regardless of speed, traffic, or road conditions. 

I think I will do a set of Rancho 9000s on the front and a 5* tow tune this summer and that will be it for mods. I'm very happy with this truck. It is an excellent tow vehicle and I can't think of another 1/2 ton truck that would be as good. 
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Quick update to this old thread - towed really heavy for the 1st time with my HDPP. 7k lb dry toy hauler loaded up with 3 motocross bikes, gear, tools, full water tanks, coming in just under GVWR at 9700 lbs. Towed I5 to Washougal MX park (1.5 hours for me) and it was easy. What a great tow vehicle.

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Thanks for the update. It's good to see all this laid out so people in the same boat can see the outcome/results. The HD F-150 is a great platform. Enjoy!


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jerem0621 wrote:

F150's receiver is rated for about 1,200 lbs of tongue weight.

F250 is the answer you are looking for.

Thanks!

Jeremiah


My 2018 HDPP has the exact same payload as as the OP, but with a 1,320lb hitch ratings.

It appears your 1,200lb hitch is an aftermarket or an obsolete hitch. I'd upgrade to the new hitch if I were you.

* This post was edited 07/10/18 06:32am by Maury82 *

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mhamershock wrote:

I tow an Attitude 27CBG toy hauler. GWVR is 9900, tongue @ 15% of max is 1485. Real world is more like 8500 max for me and about 1100 tongue. I'm putting 4500-ish on the rear axle of the current tow rig. I am overloaded by 5%. [emoticon]

F-150HD RAWR is 4800, payload around 2500 on a 7850 GVWR in the HD Supercrew spec I'd buy. The F-250 6.7l diesel is 6340 RAWR and about the same payload at a 9900 GAWR in the spec I'd buy.

Obvious differences with lots more headroom on the F250, but I'm not getting a bigger trailer. Unless the DW says otherwise. [emoticon] I don't tow a lot (5-6x a year) and the truck will be a daily driver for me.

So which one? Opinions?

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Mike


You should only consider the perspectives of those that tow heavy with the newer HDPP truck.

I'm a newbie, and there are very few members who tow heavy with a HDPP truck, but there is one guy up here name Mike.

Ask Mike, he knows.

I have a 8,400lb/ 9,900lb max TT 37ft, and a 2018 HDPP, XLT 3.5EB, 4x4, S.Crew, 2,472lb payload, 1,320lb hitch with the 6.5 box.

I'm breaking in my truck right now, and can't wait to start towing.

The HDPP will tow its ratings well. Get the HDPP, unless you just want the 3/4 ton truck, but the HDPP trucks will tow that trailer.

That EB and 10 speed is a much better power combination as a daily driver than even the diesel.

Go to the HDPP F150 forum for information, this is not the place to get information for towing heavy with 1/2 ton trucks.

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mhamershock wrote:

Quick update to this old thread - towed really heavy for the 1st time with my HDPP. 7k lb dry toy hauler loaded up with 3 motocross bikes, gear, tools, full water tanks, coming in just under GVWR at 9700 lbs. Towed I5 to Washougal MX park (1.5 hours for me) and it was easy. What a great tow vehicle.

Thank you.

It's only people like you who tow with the HDPP trucks who can enlightened us about towing heavy with a HDPP, and you are a viable source of information that is hard to come by.

When you gain more milage, and experience more varied situations, update this post when you can.

There should be a post strictly for HDPP towing.

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Posted: 07/10/18 07:23am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Powerdude wrote:

53k for a F150 HD?

Wow...

I paid more than 10k less than that for my F250 gas, and I know several people who got a diesel F250 for less than that...

Crazy stuff.

Enjoy it, it's your money.


Comments like this are like car keys on a chalkboard.

That 250 would be just too painful and frustrating to drive when not towing, and would be useless, therefore, it would have to be parked beside the trailer at all times.

A big gas/ diesel truck is just a one trick pony

At least with the 1/2 ton, there are some usage and trips that can be taken when not towing...well worth it.

* This post was edited 07/10/18 07:31am by Maury82 *

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