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RE: Dinghy charging from MH

the 4 wire for the tail lights is sort of hard wired in. I ran it under the sill plate, through the frame and into the tail light housing. While I could remove all that, it's really neat and tidy the way it is and I can hide the harness in a nice spot in the lower grill. I'm not thinking you'd have to remove all of that, to go to a 6 round connector and a charge line. Only place you'd change things and change the wiring, is at the very front of the car. Basically, you'd just install a 6 round connector somewhere on front of the vehicle, and take those same 4 wires you presently have connected into a 4 flat connector up front, and instead connect them into the appropriate pins on the 6 round connector (and, of course, do away with the 4 flat connector on the front). While you are doing this, you would also route one wire from + terminal of the battery to the appropriate pin on the 6 round connector as well, for your charge line. Then, you'd just install a 6 round connector on back of Motorhome, and wire it up appropriately. You could make an adapter like I did, that on one end wires directly into the 6 round connector, other end plugs into your Motorhome's existing 7 pin connector. This way, you'd be using a standard, very easy to find when needed, 6 pin wire from Motorhome to the towed vehicle. If it ever wears out or gets damaged, getting a replacement would be quick and easy, as they are pretty popular and frequently on the shelf at RV dealers. What's the issue with adding one wire with a bullet to the appropriate spot in the 6 round adapter and just tie it to the 4wire harness? Aesthetically it will be the same. It's just one extra wire that can be tied and hidden with the 4. No real issue, you could do it that way and it would work fine. And, ultimately its your rig and you can do it the way you want. However, it would mean you'd have a very specific, custom wire setup going between your Motorhome and your towed vehicle. It would also mean, like I said before, that now you have two wires and 4 connectors to maintain and keep up with instead of just 1 wire and 2 connectors. Not to mention, hitching up and unhitching would be a little more complicated, because now you have two wires/connectors to connect and disconnect each time vs. just one if you did it all in a 6 round like I was talking about. Your rig, you do it the way you want, is the bottom line. I certainly take no offense if you chose to do it this way. Long as you're happy with it and it works, I wouldn't worry about it. :)
willald 02/02/23 07:33am Dinghy Towing
RE: Dinghy charging from MH

...Do yourself a favor and skip the round 6 pin. Nothing wrong per se except they are basically not used in hardly any applications anymore.... Have to respectfully disagree with this. 6 round connection is used quite frequently for vehicles towed behind Motorhomes. Its not used for trailers, no, but it is the preferred approach for towing a vehicle behind an RV. And, I think one 6 pin wire would be much better than having two separate wires and connectors to connect between the Motorhome and the car (one for the 4 flat, one for the charge line). A single 6 round wire would look much better and be much more organized, too, than having to run two separate wires. Not to mention, would be less parts to wear out, develop shorts, and have to be maintained.
willald 02/01/23 10:52am Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

Sucks that they don't have surge brakes anymore. I rented dolly's from uhaul a few times over the last couple of years, and it was about 50/50 if they would have brakes or not, I assumed if you called and wanted one specifically with brakes they could do it. Guess not anymore huh? The last one I rented (last summer) was sweet, had a nice foolproof Demco EZ latch coupler and surge brakes. It looked brand new. Whoa, as recently as last summer you rented a Uhaul dolly and it had brakes? I didn't see anywhere you could request one with surge brakes when making the reservation online. I might just call Uhaul and see if its possible to request such, as I'd most definitely prefer to have some kind of braking back there if possible. This isn't until April, so got plenty of time...
willald 01/31/23 12:15pm Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

We decided to go ahead and rent the Uhaul dolly and do this. Trip isn't until April, but already reserved the Uhaul dolly and planning to do this with the dolly. Will plan on being extra cautious, and definitely going to take our time and not break any speed records. Planning on 3 overnight stays (two in campgrounds, one night boondocking), 3 days total on the road to get there. Thanks to all, for your input, thoughts on this. It seems, this is one case where I was being a bit paranoid, and just need to relax, slow down, and enjoy the ride. :)
willald 01/31/23 11:44am Dinghy Towing
RE: Dinghy charging from MH

I have a charge line in my toad. In my case I do need a diode in the line. This is because I have my motorhome backup camera powered by the trailer charge line (it's an on with ignition source, right were I wanted it, made sense at the time). If I simply used a charge line with a fuse, then the backup camera would be powered by the TOAD battery anytime the ignition of the motorhome was off. A diode prevents this. Agreed, a diode is a great idea, also, to prevent current from back flowing into the Motorhome. And, in your case where the camera at the back of the Motorhome is powered by the trailer charge line, a diode is most definitely in order. I remember when we set up the charge line, I wanted to wire in a diode, and planned to initially. However, it turned into one of those things I found was not needed, so kept putting it off and it never got done, haha.
willald 01/31/23 11:29am Dinghy Towing
RE: Dinghy charging from MH

The only way you will ever be able to maintain/charge a "toad" battery is with a DC-DC charger. Have it permanently mounted in the toad, close to the battery. You can pick up B+ from the tow vehicle via the standard 7 pin connector. You need to be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that B+ from the tow vehicle does NOT connect to B+ of the toad ! Thus way require some relays to keep these two systems isolated ! Using separate brake/turn signal lamps is a good first step !! Have to respectfully disagree with this, based on what I've experienced and learned over the years. I've flat towed a total of 4 different vehicles over course of last 10 years. Two of which (Ford Fusion Hybrid and Ford Taurus) were such that battery would be dead after just a few hours towing. I installed a charge line several years ago. Basically, just a wire going from + of Motorhome battery to + terminal of towed vehicle battery with a 20 amp inline fuse (what you are saying should not be done). To be clear, I did not physically run a new wire from the Motorhome battery to the towed vehicle. The wiring on the Motorhome side was already there somewhat, by using the auxiliary power line in the standard 7 pin connector at back of the Motorhome. After verifying that 12V power is always on that line when Motorhome is running, I just used that and wired it to the + terminal of towed vehicle battery. And, it has worked great all these years, on all the vehicles I've towed. Kept the battery well charged up, on vehicles where the battery would die in just a few hours of towing without the charge line. Wiring in a DC charger definitely isn't a bad idea, especially if you have something that will put a huge load on the towed vehicle's battery (like maybe an auxiliary braking system that needs a lot of 12V power). However, I don't think its fair to say that is the only way you will keep the battery charged, as my experience over the years proves otherwise.
willald 01/26/23 07:03am Dinghy Towing
RE: Toad Battery Charger

Are you certain that the charge line is in and working? Meaning, have you verified with a voltmeter that when Motorhome engine is running, there is 13 volts on the charge line going to your Honda's battery? I have flat towed a total of 4 different vehicles over last 10 years. Two of them would have a dead battery after just a few hours of towing. I installed a charge line and used such with all of them, and that was always enough to keep the battery fully charged no matter how long we towed. No charger was ever necessary, just a simple 14 gauge wire going from the + terminal of Motorhome battery, over to + terminal of towed vehicle (with an inline fuse or breaker). Before spending the time and $$ to install a DC charger, I'd make certain the charge line you have running to the Honda actually has power. If it does, then that charge line should be enough to keep your battery charged up, without having to add a charger.
willald 01/26/23 06:50am Dinghy Towing
RE: Dinghy charging from MH

I ran a set of wires/lights completely independent of the car that run from the 4 pin connector on the MH. (it was a blue ox kit that actually installs a bulb in each lens so it looks factory). The issue is that the ready brake still pulls on the CRV brake pedal and activates the factory toad brake lights also. They would work no matter what position the key is in. I had this issue with our Jeep as well. It is a common issue, I think. We corrected it by installing a brake light relay on the Jeep. Basically, it is a relay that shuts off power to the brake lights when the car's ignition is turned off. That way when we are towing, only brake light signal that will turn lights on is the one that comes from the Motorhome. I'm too lazy to put together a link for the relay kit, but look up Roadmaster Item #RM-88400 on etrailer. That is the kit that I used. Was a fairly simple install, and works great.
willald 01/25/23 09:24am Dinghy Towing
RE: Dinghy charging from MH

Hey, Way2Roll, I have always had a charge line wired in with our towed vehicles, although our current one (Jeep Wrangler) doesn't use it or need it. With a 4 flat connector, you are right, there isn't a wire to use for charging battery. You will need to switch to a 6 round setup, as the 6 wire setup does have an extra wire you can use for the charge line. You don't have to spend tons of $$ and install a battery charge kit or anything (I guess you could if you want, but I didn't). I just ran a charge wire from the Motorhome to the towed vehicle's positive terminal of the battery, I believe it was 14 or 16 gauge. Just make sure you install an inline fuse or circuit breaker on that wire as close to the battery as possible! My previous towed vehicle (2014 Ford Taurus) would have a dead battery after just a few hours of towing. Charge line solved that problem completely. Same thing with the hybrid Ford Fusion we had before that. PM me if you need more specific info on how to do this. :)
willald 01/24/23 01:50pm Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

OK, want some advice from someone that has done just what you suggest with the same equipment? Here goes, we tow our 2018 FWD CRV all over on a dolly with no brakes. Does just fine from West Palm Beach to Cleveland, in the mountains and on the flat. Not sure about coming back with no weight on the dolly as it might get to bouncing, not really sure. There is a manufacturer in Fayetteville that sells them cheap with or without brakes. There you go. Thank you, Ferndaleflyer, this helps a lot. If we rent the dolly from uhaul, there would be no empty return trip, we’d rent it one way and drop it off in Maine. Think that’s what we gonna do.
willald 01/23/23 07:55pm Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

There is no such thing as being cited for "violation of accepted towing practices". You can be cited for a legal infraction. However, being under GCWR accompanied with the fact there is no law in NC that requires a car being towed to have supplemental brakes means there is no legal issue here and thus no violation.You have to meet the rules of each state as there is no reprocrity other than a drivers license. If any state requires brakes and you don't - well I wouldn't want to be in that situation. Then how does Uhaul rent dolly's without supplemental brakes - in all states? And how do tow companies get around it? This has come up many times on this forum. I don't recall ever seeing any state that had a law that referenced supplemental brakes on a towed car. Lots of references to a trailer but no cars. If you have anything stating it I am sure lots of people here would love to see it. ...Way2roll, I definitely appreciate you debunking the myths and BS that are coming up here for the zillionth time. :) However, at the same time, I don't want to see this thread go the way sooo many have, and turn into just a debate between the legal liability 'police' and the rest of us that live in the real world. I am well aware of the reality of how towing laws, insurance, and liabilities work. Rest assured if I thought this caused a real, serious liability issue, or truly violated any law, I would not even be considering it.
willald 01/23/23 01:02pm Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

...Or, you could consider having the car shipped, although that would certainly cost more than either a trailer or dolly rental. Already looked into that, and its obscenely expensive - around $1000. I'd buy a new dolly that has brakes before I'd do that.
willald 01/23/23 11:20am Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

2018 CRV is not listed as towable including dolly. Have you considered liability if you were involved in a serious accident and in voilation of accepted towing practices? And that can include "not your fault". Don't think for a second that any towing violation won't be determined with a serious accident and claims can exceed insurance coverage.... According to Honda, yes, this CRV most certainly *IS* towable with a dolly. It can't be flat towed, but it can be towed on a dolly so long as it isn't AWD (and this one is not). Yes, I most definitely am aware of how insurance and liability works. I'm also aware of all the myths around such that have been thrown up and refuted a zillion times, also (which way2roll did a very nice job of refuting this one in the previous post. Thank you, way2roll).
willald 01/23/23 11:06am Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

Put it on a trailer,, its cheaper than fixing the CRV. The Baystar will do the job easy.. Agreed, the Baystar drivetrain, brakes, chassis, etc. will probably handle this just fine. Not worried about that at all. However, I'm not convinced the hitch receiver and attachment points that have a 5k/500 lb limit will handle nearly 6,000 lbs of total weight, and probably close to 600 lbs of tongue weight quite so easily. Thats why I'm leaning more toward the dolly, if we do tow it. I just would prefer the dolly has some kind of braking, if possible.
willald 01/23/23 10:47am Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

I had no idea U-Haul tow dollies don't have brakes. I always assumed they had surge brakes. That’s what I thought, too, but apparently not. It seems, they used to, but a few years back they took the surge brakes off of them, for whatever reason.
willald 01/23/23 10:10am Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

How long is the drive? Granted it's a long day in the saddle but certainly do-able in one day. Seems like you have a few drivers. And if you are driving the MH why would you need to stay in hotels if you decided to break the trick up? Its a good 16 hour drive, two solid, full days on the road. Really 3 days, as don't want to get there late in the day, as there's a lot of work to do to open the place up when you get there. We were planning on 2 overnight stops on the way up. Yes, if I drove the MH and wife followed driving their vehicle, that'd avoid the hotels and we'd either boondock along the way or stay in campgrounds. Only thing is, there again, we're in separate vehicles, and really want to all ride together if we can. That, and I'm not sure my wife is crazy about driving their vehicle that far, haha. We are trying to keep them from having to drive, so we have two drivers - me and Cheryl (wife).
willald 01/23/23 09:13am Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

How about driving it up? Good point. Even if someone drove it following the MH. Then it costs nothing other than Gas and mitigates any concern you have. Thought of that, but only downside to that is, like I mentioned in previous post, then we'd be in two separate vehicles, and really like the idea of all of us riding together in the RV if we can.
willald 01/23/23 09:06am Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

Are you towing it up and leaving it there, or will it come back with you? We are towing it up there and leaving it there for them. Its a case where they want to drive as little as possible due to their age, health issues, but really want to get up to their Maine place. We are trying to provide a way to keep them from having to drive, at least from here (NC) to Maine. How about driving it up? Maybe pay for an airline ticket for them to come down... might be cheaper. Driving it up is the other option, but that would mean driving two vehicles - me and father in law would be in their CRV (I'd be driving), wife and mother in law would follow in our other vehicle (Ford Taurus). However, that would mean having to stay in motels on the way up (we absolutely HATE hotels, is part of why we own an RV), and we could not all ride together like we could in the RV. Flying is not very realistic, either, since their place in Maine is way out in the boonies, a good 3-4 hour drive from nearest airport (Portland). None of us are crazy about flying, either.
willald 01/23/23 09:00am Dinghy Towing
RE: Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

A few opinions; tow dollies can go faster than 55 and that restriction is likely due to some insurance mandate from Uhaul as a company to rent them. I doubt 90% of the people that rent a tow dolly from U haul maintain under 55. I have personally seen them go much faster. Secondly, while I am always in favor of a supplemental braking system, I think you can get by with this one-time, one way trip. I mean, no one else has a supplemental braking system when renting a uhaul dolly and I've seen some towed with vehicles that would probably really need it. Your MH is big enough I doubt it will matter significantly provided you drive safe and with enough cushion. Thanks, these are all very valid points, and is what I was thinking as well. I'm just not sure my father in law will feel the same way about us towing his CRV (that car is his baby, he very protective of it, haha). ....are you sure about the tongue weight? If the towed car is centered over the axles of the trailer I would guess it's designed to minimize tongue weight. Uhaul should know the specs. No, I don't know for certain on tongue weight, but pretty certain on total weight: Trailer weighs around 2k empty according to Uhaul, add 3500 for the CRV, and we are at 5500, before they even begin to load that car with all their luggage, haha. For tongue weight, I was going off the fact you want at least 10% tongue weight for stability, 10% of 5500 is 550 lbs. I suppose with the car positioned right over axles, you could get by with less than 10% tongue weight, but total weight would certainly be over. Lastly, if you decided to buy a tow dolly, I doubt you'd be stuck with it for long. When we sold ours people were falling over themselves to buy it. Thats cool, but I've had not quite as good luck in the past when selling various things. Is a good point, though.
willald 01/23/23 08:51am Dinghy Towing
Towing a Honda CRV one time - NC to Maine

We are planning a trip up to Maine in a few months, up to the in-law's place up in Maine. We want to tow their 2018 Honda CRV vehicle with us, from North Carolina to Maine. We normally tow our Jeep 4 down behind our Motorhome (see signature). Have been flat towing one vehicle or another behind our Motorhome for years, so we are very used to and comfortable towing with it. The CRV is not one that can be flat towed, nor would it make sense to spend all the $$ to set it up for such just for one tow. Sooo, we are looking at renting a tow dolly or flatbed trailer one way, to tow it behind the RV. Here is the dilemma we are facing: U-Haul’s tow dollies have no brakes on them. Although U-Haul says no problem towing this vehicle behind our RV, I'm not sure I like towing over 3,500 lbs. this far with no braking back there. Also, they limit speed with their tow dollies to 55 mph. There is NO WAY anybody could go that slow on the interstates we would have to take going up to Maine. You would absolutely be run over or cause a huge accident, hahaha. Have checked with Penske and Budget rentals. Both of them do rent tow dollies, but only if you rent one of their trucks also to tow it. Not doing that. Sunbelt rents them also, but theirs do not have brakes. Cannot find anyone else that rents tow dollies that have brakes. Am I being too paranoid about the braking thing, and should just rent the U-Haul dolly, and (cautiously) tow the CRV on up to Maine on the tow dolly and stop worrying? This is just a one-time thing, we most certainly would not be making a habit of this. Does anyone know of any other company that might rent a tow dolly, that has brakes? Tempted to just buy the one tow dolly I've owned before and really like (cartowdolly.com), use it and plan on selling it after we get back. But, that seems pretty foolish, and would be afraid we'd end up losing a ton of $$, or getting stuck with a $1600 dolly we have no use for. Looked into renting a flatbed trailer from U-Haul. That resolves concerns about the braking and speed limitations, but creates a much bigger issue, in that it would almost certainly put me way over the Motorhome's hitch receiver limitations (500lb max tongue weight, 5k towing weight). Ideas, thoughts?
willald 01/23/23 08:09am Dinghy Towing
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