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RE: Observations - Local RV Dealer.
The cost of virtually everything involved in manufacturing an RV has increased dramatically. MSRP (manufacturer’s suggested retail price) is just that, a suggested price. There are no laws governing how that number is derived. That being said it isn’t number that is just pulled from the air. It has to be a number that leaves the retail dealer a fair profit and yet is not so high as to turn away prospective buyers. It has much more validity than some random person saying it’s 30% too high.
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wapiticountry
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04/29/23 10:10am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Reroute Lot Sewer Pipes
I think you are over complicating it. I assume you only want to move the connection a minimal distance. Assuming the current lateral line isn’t almost at the surface, just dig down exposing two or three feet of the upright. Cut it and install a tee. Trench a lateral line from there to where you want it. The slope only needs to be 1/4 inch per foot of lateral line. You can move the connection nearly 50 feet with only a foot of slope. Put a long sweep 90 and attach the upright with a sewer cap. Back at the original it would be wise to run up an upright from the tee and cap it with a threaded clean out plug. You could even bury it a few inches if you want a smooth yard. Just be sure you note where it is so you can uncover it if you ever need to snake the line. Placing a piece of metal on top before burying is a great tip since it can easily be located with a metal detector. Twists and turns really don’t matter as long as you keep them gradual and remember the first rule of plumbing: Sheet flows downhill.
Sounds like a plan......... if that's the scenario. As I said above, hopefully it will be that easy.
Yes--maybe a bit over the top, but without seeing the job, it could be a piece of cake, or a nightmare. Too many variables, and just pointing out a few possibilities since it's obvious that OP has no experience with this kind of thing.
The guy said he currently just has to lay a hose across the yard to the drop. That implies it isn’t up a steep hill or over the side of a cliff. And while it is true excessive slope can cause problems, on such a short run where the line will likely be periodically flushed with larger flows (emptying gray tank after black) a moderately steep slope would still function. Unless the yard is solid rock this is a duo or handyman type of job. No need for engineers, permits, plumbers, excavation contractors etc.
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wapiticountry
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04/22/23 08:45am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Reroute Lot Sewer Pipes
I think you are over complicating it. I assume you only want to move the connection a minimal distance. Assuming the current lateral line isn’t almost at the surface, just dig down exposing two or three feet of the upright. Cut it and install a tee. Trench a lateral line from there to where you want it. The slope only needs to be 1/4 inch per foot of lateral line. You can move the connection nearly 50 feet with only a foot of slope. Put a long sweep 90 and attach the upright with a sewer cap. Back at the original it would be wise to run up an upright from the tee and cap it with a threaded clean out plug. You could even bury it a few inches if you want a smooth yard. Just be sure you note where it is so you can uncover it if you ever need to snake the line. Placing a piece of metal on top before burying is a great tip since it can easily be located with a metal detector. Twists and turns really don’t matter as long as you keep them gradual and remember the first rule of plumbing: Sheet flows downhill.
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wapiticountry
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04/21/23 12:51pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: 30 vs 50 amp electrical issue help
Well, the plot thickens. I just got off of the phone with Heart land I asked them to look up my build based on VIN.
They told me that my trailer was supposed to be shipped with the 50 amp cord that I have but that there is supposed to be an “adapter” between cord and trailer. He stated that the trailer itself is 30 amp but when I told him that I want to run a second AC he said that will be no problem at all.
I asked if this is some kind of hybrid between 50 and 30 and he said yes exactly.
So everything in my trailer is 120v…. And it’s 30 amp but supposedly I can run 2 ACs?
I was hoping for clarification but this makes the whole thing even more convoluted.
I talked to my sales guy and he said that was the craziest thing he’d ever heard, I don’t know much but I have to agree with him!
Well, it appears that both Heartland AND the Dealer will lie to fix this problem. What Heartland told you is NONSENSE. YOU CANNOT RUN 2 RV AC UNITS ON 30 AMP SERVICE. PERIOD. You stated MY link is the wall connection to your trailer. That is 50 amp. Period. You need to go to the trailer and open the 120 breaker box access lid. Until YOU do this, there can be no good resolution to this thread. IF your breaker box has (2) 50 amp breakers, your RV IS 50 amp. Doug
PS, I had a Jayco electrical engineer tell me that I could NOT add a 3rd AC to a customers 39 foot Jayco with 50 amp service, because 3 AC's would draw about 42 amps and that would leave only 8 amps for the rest of the RV. I e mailed his boss and told him that person needed to be FIRED. 50 amp RV service is a TOTAL of 100 amp service.
Wow, a guy makes a mistake and you email his boss telling him the guy should be fired. How many hours would you last at your job if one mistake and you are out was the standard.
And the guy wasn’t totally incorrect. 50 amp service is not referred to as having 100 amps available. Care would have be be taken in wiring the third AC to assure it was not on the same leg as the other two units, or that leg would draw 42 amps which overloads a fifty amp circuit since continuous duty rating is 80% of the maximum rating. Load balancing would be critical and depending on how many other high amperage items (hot water heater, electric cooktop, microwave, other electric appliances etc.) it may indeed be problematic adding a third AC unit especially if there is no load management system. Actually there is nothing in the electrical codes that would prevent adding 20 AC units since the lines are protected by the 50 amp breakers. Of course such a system would be useless because you would be tripping breakers constantly, but it wouldn’t be a code violation. . It is reasonable the engineer was talking in practical, not theoretical terms, and he very well may have been correct that adding a third AC unit to that specific rig, would be a problem due to power management.
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wapiticountry
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04/20/23 08:18am |
Tech Issues
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RE: Hospital RV park closing
The local hotels must have complained about the competition. Local hotel associations are usually behind ordinances that prohibit overnight RV parking at places like Cracker Barrel and Bass Pro that have a high tourist rate. Although people are at a the hospital for a reason these associations want to force people into their high priced accommodations instead of allowing the convenience and affordability to families of patients in the hospital for treatment of some sort...they want your money is all.
Do you have any references to back up such a claim? It has been my experience that bans are primarily generated by local governments in response to the need for police to have the ability to prevent vagrants and homeless from taking up residence. Without such laws the police have limited authority even if the property owner prohibits overnighting.
As for the hospital, I think it is very, very unlikely a hotel operator would go to the city council and claim people staying on the hospital grounds while they or family members are getting treatment is negatively effecting their business. It much more likely he hospital either had problems with people who were not using the facilities staying or the hospital needs that area for normal parking or expansion. Or maybe Luke someone else already posted, it simply wasn’t being used.
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wapiticountry
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04/13/23 08:54am |
RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
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RE: Flying J/Pilot oil
That stupid Canadian Government kept the percentage of cases 1/3 of that in USA. That figure is reached by dividing the population into the number of cases.
If Canada had truly closed the border the numbers may have been much lower.
And let’s not forget Don that those ‘stupid’ measures resulted in *no* flu season either.
In a typical year about a dozen children die of influenza, in the 2020 / 2021 season there was ZERO deaths and not even a single case bad enough to require an ICU stay.
Agreed, the world would be a much safer place if everyone just locked themselves in a room and tossed away the key. As a matter of fact there is nothing stopping you from doing it today, even if the lockdowns, mandates and restrictions have been lifted for the general public. To paraphrase Dr. Spock, you would live long, just not prosper.
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wapiticountry
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04/07/23 09:44am |
Snowbirds
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RE: Underground 250ft run
past wthose points it was on my dime to contract with a locate service to mark any underground lines since those are technically my responsibility.Understood. My question remains.
It may be as simple as saying their definition of public right of ways and yours differ. The utility providers have easements to allow access to their lines that cross your property. This not only includes the lines to your meters but any other line that may transit your property. Transmission lines often do not follow roads and often bisect private property. It’s possible In utility company jargon an easement may be referred to as public access.
The fact that transmission lines may cross your property is a good reason to call for location services before trenching even if your personal utilities are far from the excavation site.
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wapiticountry
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04/05/23 08:31am |
Tech Issues
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RE: Underground 250ft run
Lol. You’re upset that a public utility company won’t go above and beyond to do favors for every private landowner with their own private utilities that are of no responsibility to nor any control of by the utility company?And you're upset that I'm upset. I can always count on you for a smart-aleck answer.
What I don't get is that they post these signs "Call before you dig", but, if they only locate up to private property, that would indicate they only locate in the public right-of-way. Why would I be digging up the public right-of-way?
What am I missing here?
Anytime I had locates they marked to the service entry points. That would be to the meter for water electric and gas and to the junction box on the house for cable and phone. Past wthose points it was on my dime to contract with a locate service to mark any underground lines since those are technically my responsibility.
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wapiticountry
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04/03/23 04:12pm |
Tech Issues
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RE: buying RV out of state - what contract to use / other advise
Hi guys! Finally I am ready for my first RV but how to choose? What is the best affordable option?
A tentactually a tarp is even cheaper. And if that stretches the budget you can always just build a lean to out of branches.
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wapiticountry
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04/03/23 02:34pm |
Beginning RVing
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RE: Yellowstone closed roads?
As in the previous post, check the road opening dates, it’s still winter in Montana. Also be aware if you choose to go out the North entrance the road is a temporary road to replace the road that was washed out last year. It may or may not be usable for a large RV towing. It has some steep sections and some extremely sharp corners. I wouldn’t be shocked if restrictions were to be put into place in the near future. (It only opened in October so there has been virtually no tourist traffic yet)
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wapiticountry
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04/03/23 09:33am |
Roads and Routes
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RE: Walmart overnight parking
https://corporate.walmart.com/frequently-asked-questions
Per the information at the link above:
Can I park my RV at a Walmart store?
Walmart values RV travelers and considers them among our best customers. Please contact management in each store to ensure accommodations before parking your RV.
Curious if anyone has a link where Walmart states who they consider to be among their worst customers??
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wapiticountry
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03/31/23 01:59pm |
Public Lands, Boondocking and Dry Camping
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RE: Underground 250ft run
1/0 Aluminum underground feeder would be my choice. Multiple times cheaper than copper in conduit. The trenching and installation is also easier. Only additional cost would be some sand to bed the wire if the ground is rocky.
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wapiticountry
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03/31/23 09:46am |
Tech Issues
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RE: Rv loan rates!
The “buying of toys” was an anomaly during the Covid restrictions. Many were bought with cash by people who will never miss the money. Vacation options were virtually eliminated. No cruises, no trips to Europe, no Broadway shows while eating in 5 Star restaurants and staying at the Ritz. Spending $25,000 or more for an RV didn’t stress them out, it was what they would have spent anyway. Only difference is they had something more tangible than photos and memories when their vacation ended. Some will have enjoyed the experience and add RVing to their vacation options, others will park it and never give it another thought and some will sell. None of the buyers from this demographic are going to be forced to liquidate due to financial hardship.
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wapiticountry
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03/26/23 04:13pm |
Truck Campers
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
Politicians love to pass laws that don’t go into effect until they are long gone from office. And the few that are still around should it go bad will either deny they had anything to do with it passing or blame the other side for botching the implementation. Taking responsibility should a law backfire is not in any politician’s playbook.
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wapiticountry
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03/21/23 11:55am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Price of camping
If only any of those rates, be it RV or Hotel were available in high demand areas. Example: West Yellowstone in August. Grizzly RV park standard back in site $129.00 a night. Holiday Inn Express $402/night. And those prices don’t include a dozen eggs. Welcome to prices in the year 2023.
Wow, we spent a week at Fishing Bridge in the park for something like $85/n. I was choking on that a bit but location was worth a lot. Helps to be flexible on dates or book early.
Paid $35/n in Cody just before going into the Yellowstone.
I'm guessing you were talking about a holiday weekend or something to be paying $402/n for Holiday Inn.I pulled August 8 -9 out of thin air.
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wapiticountry
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03/19/23 08:31am |
RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
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RE: Price of camping
What happen with the price of the campground? I see $80-100 per nite on River Road in TX.That insane they try to scare the people away?That the price of a nice hotel.
LOL! When was the last time you stayed in a hotel???
Market forces. With so many people buying RVs during COVID it's only natural that prices for sites will rise due to more competition from users.
While $80-100 is too high, hotels that aren't total fleabag places start around $125.
Basically, unless you have a specific reason to go to an expensive campground, there are plenty available in the $20-40/n range.
If only any of those rates, be it RV or Hotel were available in high demand areas. Example: West Yellowstone in August. Grizzly RV park standard back in site $129.00 a night. Holiday Inn Express $402/night. And those prices don’t include a dozen eggs. Welcome to prices in the year 2023.
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wapiticountry
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03/16/23 11:44am |
RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
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RE: Price of camping
Parks are paying more for everything. Utilities, labor, taxes, interest rates, professional services etc. are going up. Plus the park has to increase their profits or they fall behind all the inflation effecting the ownership.
Also, parks are getting a lot more sophisticated in their pricing and management. Reservation software makes demand pricing much easier. Parks are realizing full parks may not be as profitable as being 80% full at a higher rate. And like already mentioned supply and demand is very much in the favor of parks.
Finally, the $100.00 nice hotel room doesn’t exist in most popular areas. $200 to $300 a night is closer to the norm .
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wapiticountry
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03/13/23 02:03pm |
RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
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RE: Electric and ICE forever together?
Apparently the option for Long distance travel by EV is to eat meals when charging. That’s a deal breaker for me. I don’t want to be limited to what restaurant I patronize or when I eat because fueling and eating must occur in lockstep.
Often my long distance travel is work related where getting there and getting back is time sensitive. Eating is pulling thru the drive thru and continuing down the road. No time for a leisurely meal. Even vacation travel is hurry up and get there. I have seen enough truck stops and logged enough highway miles to realize they aren’t interesting enough to dawdle. When EVs can recharge comparable to refueling an ICE then maybe I will be interested. Until then, no.
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wapiticountry
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03/07/23 09:40am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Electric and ICE forever together?
It all depends on the technology, the electric grid, the government, the buyers, and so on.
I'm not buying anything in the current climate. Who knows what will happen tomorrow. With my luck, I'd end up with the betamax of car engines...
The Betamax thing is a real concern. Currently there are several, real , major issues with EVs. Can they be solved? Maybe. Will they be solved in a way that is backwards compatible? Less likely. Are there competing technologies in development that may render current EVs the equivalent to that Betamax? Yes. Are current EVs perfect vehicles for a percentage of the population? Absolutely. Are they also completely unworkable for another segment of the auto market? Again absolutely.
The difference for me is trashing an obsolete Betamax that cost a few hundred dollars stings. Having a $50,000 white elephant of a car hurts for a long time and will likely leave some pretty ugly financial scars.
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wapiticountry
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03/04/23 10:30am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Stuck in yard, ruts. Install driveway? Ideas please.
If you have someone who will excavate, form up and pour a 12x60 concrete drive for $3000 you found a good deal. Just be sure you have any necessary permits and that the slab is a minimum of 6 inches thick. Often residential drives are only 4 inches, but that is insufficient for heavier RVs and the like.
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wapiticountry
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02/19/23 08:29am |
Do It Yourself Modifications and Upgrades (DIY)
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