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RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Updating the spreadsheet for the 2 x 3's. A dozen 2 x 3's, 8 feet long, cost me $27.35. Adding that to our prior total of $8817.73 and we have a new total of $8845.08. Just dawned on me the other day, I'll have to take a measurement, but I would really like to put the generator up front, behind the grill, and in front of, but mostly below the radiator. That would put that completely out of the way, and I would not have to use any space at the back for the genny. I'll have to measure that tomorrow.
fulltimin 01/21/20 09:54pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Started framing out for the refer wall tonight. I'll need to cut a tapered piece at the top to follow the ceiling line, both from the side wall and the rear wall. No, I didn't get much done today, but a little is better than nothing. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/referwall.jpg
fulltimin 01/21/20 09:45pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

I went to Lowes today to pick up some more 2 x 3's. You know how hard it is to find straight ones? Yea, it took a while to sort through the stack and find ones that were not bowed, warped, or twisted. Then again, I persevered and found what I was looking for. While I was at it, I bought more than I needed. I figured, when the fishing is good .... load the boat. Lol. So, I bought a dozen. That should take care of most of what I need for a while. Hauled them home in, yup, the Pt Cruiser. Did I mention, I like Pt's? Nothing like hauling a dozen and still closing the tailgate. I didn't even have to put the front seat down, and put the wife in the left rear, like when I haul plywood. Lol... http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/more2x3s.jpg
fulltimin 01/21/20 09:40pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

The cable appears to be long enough and the camera resolution sufficient, do you think the cable is flexible enough to follow the channel without binding if one wanted to do a self colonoscopy? Perhaps even an upper endoscopy later? The page is in Spanish.....do they not have an English site? I did notice they wanted US dollars. I can only assume you are at least half joking, but in the case that you are not, I'll answer your question. No, this is not flexible enough to traverse the inwards parts of the lower areas of the human body. As stiff as this is, you will very quickly puncture items, that should not be punctured, and would cause you immediate and serious grief! It will however, keep a fairly straight line, or, if inserted into a fairly stiff object that is curved, such as a pipe, it will follow the curve of the pipe, as long as the pipe does not have an extreme bend in it. Here is the website depstech.com and the link to the manual for this particular endoscope. pdf version in several languages. Of course I posted tongue in cheek. :B But just imagine all the tools one could buy with the money saved if they did a self-examination. And whether one does the lower first or the upper first how does one know (while they are sedated or asleep) if they are having an upper endoscopy done whether the doctor uses the same scope that he just used on the coloscopy of the patient before him/her? I figured as much, but sometimes, people will surprise ya with their questions. Lol. Actually, if you call around, there are many dr's offices who will do a colonoscopy for cheap. When I had mine done, the recommended procedure was over $1500. Found a dr who would do it in the office for $350. Had no insurance at the time, so it was a great savings. On the other hand, when you are asleep, who knows what is going on in the room. I doubt they are all like this, but there was a woman who started a voice recording just before she went in to have her procedure done, and was not happy with what she heard after coming out. Lol. Best bet is to stay as far away from Dr's as possible.
fulltimin 01/20/20 09:46pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Your numbers are not real world figures. The article you posted deals with HP engines and cams with considerable overlap. Richard OK. You are correct that the article and what I usually deal with are high HP engines tuned for maximum output. Not used to tuning things that don't run at WOT all the time. Will take your experience tuning lower HP engines. I have not done much research on street tuning for AFR. Guess you can run lean on the street for much longer than you can run lean on the track. Nonetheless, the differences in stoichiometric ratios between pure gas and E10 still hold. That much is just chemistry. BTW In our group 9:1 compression is just crying out for about 30 pounds of boost. Of course, that might have some negative effects on fuel mileage. Unfortunately, there is very little info out there concerning building an engine for max torque between 1000 and 3000 rpm. Everybody is looking for power above 4000 rpm, which I never come even close to hitting. :( I would imagine running a little lean would not be a problem at low rpm since I never run at wot. Primaries only!
fulltimin 01/20/20 09:40pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Take a read of this article about AFR and O2 sensors. Interesting tidbit at the very end. While gasoline has a stoichiometric ratio of 14.7:1, E10 which is what most stations sell, has a stoichiometric ratio of 14.1:1. Would not want to try to achieve 14.7 running down the highway on E10 as that would leave you way lean and potentially burn a piston or two. Doubt that you have much overlap on your cam so you can ignore most of that discussion. Your numbers are not real world figures. The article you posted deals with HP engines and cams with considerable overlap. Our MH engines are built for low end torque with mild camshaft overlap. I curse my 460/528 stroker at 15.5:1 to 16:1..Rolling off the back side of a hill I'll see 17:1. I normally see about 14:1 at idle. I have the power band limited to 13:1 when under full load. That's with a compression ratio of 9:1. Richard More good info. Thanks.
fulltimin 01/20/20 09:36pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Take a read of this article about AFR and O2 sensors. Interesting tidbit at the very end. While gasoline has a stoichiometric ratio of 14.7:1, E10 which is what most stations sell, has a stoichiometric ratio of 14.1:1. Would not want to try to achieve 14.7 running down the highway on E10 as that would leave you way lean and potentially burn a piston or two. Doubt that you have much overlap on your cam so you can ignore most of that discussion. Interesting from the standpoint of factoring in the ethanol in the gasoline. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for the link. While most of it won't apply to an engine with an rv cam in it, (idle typically runs over 20" of vacuum), it still was a nice read. Thanks.
fulltimin 01/20/20 09:35pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Have you given thought to pulling off the carb and installing a smart fuel injection system? Other than welding in the O2 bung, it's usually a simple install and it tunes itself. Improved torque and fuel mileage. Richard Actually, I haven't. That might be something to look at in the future, but not the near future. This does have an 02 sensor on the drivers side, which is not connected to anything, so I don't know exactly why it is there. I would like to hook up to that to check the lean/rich ratio with the carb, to see if I need to make any adjustments once this is back on the road. Here is the low budget entry APSX wideband AFR gauge that I put on my ol Bounder when installed the stroker engine. It has worked well. Richard Thank you so much for the info. I'll look into it, and maybe purchase one. I figure, if the engine is tuned properly, gas mileage will take care of itself.
fulltimin 01/19/20 09:59pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Here is a pic of the camera image on a Windows 10 computer with the BlueStacks program with the Depstech app installed inside of it. http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/nostrils.jpg How do you like the look of my nostrils, or is it a dogs snoot? Inquiring minds want to know. Lol.
fulltimin 01/18/20 09:13pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

The app only runs on Android so you will need an Android emulator for your Win10 machine. I use mine (same brand BTW) on a 10" Android tablet.Much better than the phone. Correct on both counts.
fulltimin 01/18/20 09:10pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Might as well replace the plug wires while you're at it. What borescope did you end up buying ? I want to pick one up to have in my arsenal of tools . I bought one on Amazon. It's a DEPSTECH Wireless Endoscope. It's wifi enabled, has an adjustable brightness light, works with Android or IOS. 11 feet long and with the app on the phone, I can take either pictures or video. The snake cable is fairly stiff, so whatever position you bend it in, it will pretty much stay in that position. It's nice that it doesn't have to be connected by wire to the phone. I have the same scope and it works quite well. It should work on a laptop as well assuming you can download the app to your computer as well. It creates it's own wifi signal so that's all you need to connect to the computer. Windows doesn't see the camera by default, even though Windows will connect to the wifi of the camera, hence the BlueStacks and Depstech app work around.
fulltimin 01/18/20 09:09pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

I keep hoping someone would come out with one of those WiFi Bore Scopes that would work with my Windows 10 Lap Top, I can see the 17" Screen a lot better than my phone screen. If you are semi computer literate, it can be used with Windows. Windows 10 doesn't see the camera, but there is a work around. I downloaded and installed a program on my computer called Bluestacks. After installing that, I downloaded and installed the Depstech app from Google Play. The Depstech app will work on Android or IOS. What the Bluestacks does, is create an Android environment on Windows, that will install and run Android apps inside of Windows. Bluestacks opens just like any other program on Windows, and then the Depstech app installs inside the Bluestacks program. After connecting to the wifi on the camera with Windows, you will be able to see the images on you computer, real time.
fulltimin 01/18/20 09:07pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

So, there is the good news! Everything looks pretty good, as I expected it to.......Overall, I am happy with how things look. Look pretty decent, just a little light surface rust in a couple of the pictures. As for the fuel injection, that would improve the performance and probably fuel mileage as well. Holley makes a nice 4 injector system (assuming that you have a 4 barrel carb) that self-tunes. Comes with some pre-built programs for best mileage, towing power, max horsepower, etc. You start with one of those and it will modify itself over time to best fit your engine and vehicle. Comes with ECM and complete harness as well as software that you can load on a laptop to make manual changes to the ECM programming if you so desire. A bit pricey, so you would need to keep your MH for quite a while and do a lot of traveling to get any payback. On the other hand, if you had to replace a carb anyway, the incremental cost for the upgrade could be recouped much quicker. I may look into that after it is back on the road. The biggest problem with using a carb is people not tuning them correctly. This has a spread bore quadrajet carb on it, and I never, repeat, never, use anything other than the primaries. I also don't run this over 3,000 rpm, ever. While they are a pain to tune, once tuned, they work very well. The primaries are about 1 and 1/4" diameter or so, and the secondaries about 2 and 1/4" or so. What I found was, opening the secondaries put a lot of heat into the engine with very little extra pulling power up the hills, and used a lot of gas. It was a waste of gas and heat. Most of the time, I averaged 8 - 10 mpg with the generator running the overhead air. The dash air didn't work when we bought it, and I never fixed it. I was more interested in keeping the whole coach cool, rather than the driving area. I will make a note of this for future reference. Thanks.
fulltimin 01/18/20 08:56pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

The cable appears to be long enough and the camera resolution sufficient, do you think the cable is flexible enough to follow the channel without binding if one wanted to do a self colonoscopy? Perhaps even an upper endoscopy later? You're kidding, right? If you do try this, remember to do the upper first, before you do the lower. Hope he was kidding, but not a good idea with this endoscope.
fulltimin 01/18/20 08:45pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Have you given thought to pulling off the carb and installing a smart fuel injection system? Other than welding in the O2 bung, it's usually a simple install and it tunes itself. Improved torque and fuel mileage. Richard Actually, I haven't. That might be something to look at in the future, but not the near future. This does have an 02 sensor on the drivers side, which is not connected to anything, so I don't know exactly why it is there. I would like to hook up to that to check the lean/rich ratio with the carb, to see if I need to make any adjustments once this is back on the road.
fulltimin 01/18/20 08:45pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

The cable appears to be long enough and the camera resolution sufficient, do you think the cable is flexible enough to follow the channel without binding if one wanted to do a self colonoscopy? Perhaps even an upper endoscopy later? The page is in Spanish.....do they not have an English site? I did notice they wanted US dollars. I can only assume you are at least half joking, but in the case that you are not, I'll answer your question. No, this is not flexible enough to traverse the inwards parts of the lower areas of the human body. As stiff as this is, you will very quickly puncture items, that should not be punctured, and would cause you immediate and serious grief! It will however, keep a fairly straight line, or, if inserted into a fairly stiff object that is curved, such as a pipe, it will follow the curve of the pipe, as long as the pipe does not have an extreme bend in it. Here is the website depstech.com and the link to the manual for this particular endoscope. pdf version in several languages.
fulltimin 01/18/20 08:36pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

Might as well replace the plug wires while you're at it. What borescope did you end up buying ? I want to pick one up to have in my arsenal of tools . I bought one on Amazon. It's a DEPSTECH Wireless Endoscope. It's wifi enabled, has an adjustable brightness light, works with Android or IOS. 11 feet long and with the app on the phone, I can take either pictures or video. The snake cable is fairly stiff, so whatever position you bend it in, it will pretty much stay in that position. It's nice that it doesn't have to be connected by wire to the phone.
fulltimin 01/18/20 07:22am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

So, what's the bad news, you ask? Well, it's not terrible, it's just...... http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/brokenplug.jpg Yup, broke off 2 plugs. 1 of them when taking it out, and the other putting it back in. I was not it a good position under there, and accidentally applied too much sideways pressure, and SNAP! Not that big of a deal. I wanted to change spark plugs anyway. Lol. So, there's your fix for tonight, folks. Calling for snow, sleet, freezing rain tomorrow. Yay. Ugh!
fulltimin 01/17/20 09:04pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

So, there is the good news! Everything looks pretty good, as I expected it to. My intake system, consists of the carb on top of the engine, covered with an air cleaner and air filter, with a plastic hose running to the front of the moho, and pointed somewhat downward just behind the grill up front. Yes, moisture can get in there, but it's got to travel uphill, through the hose, through the air filter, and then down through the closed throttle plates, and into the engine. Overall, I am happy with how things look.
fulltimin 01/17/20 09:00pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/cylinder5.jpg http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/cylinder6.jpg
fulltimin 01/17/20 08:53pm Class A Motorhomes
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