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RE: Best Fiver these days

So if you are a welder you should know thinner metal at a weld can fail. NOT from the weld but simply that's a stress point with thin metal as specified bu the trailer mfg. Light n Cheap!!! So you are saying lightweight frames can’t be made strong ? NOPE, I am saying too light weight for the application can be a problem. No idea, I don't design trailer frames . I have built a few utility trailers , I guarantee you they don’t fail , but they are not lightweight . :D And the welds are good . IMO light doesn’t mean cheap if it’s designed ,and welded correctly . I think that’s where some of these trailers get in trouble poor welding, lack of bracing in some of the critical points .
cummins2014 05/28/20 07:13pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

One of the best frames was the Young's Welding frame that NuWa/Hitchhiker used for many years. Front over hang was manufactured with REAL channel iron. Whats REAL channel iron , thats a new one, I would assume channel thats rolled instead of bent ?? Yes rolled channel has the flanges getting thicker as it gets closer to the web, giving it more strength . Depends on the application I guess if you think it takes REAL channel . Technically. there is Bar Channel... "C" Channel ( most used ).."U" Channel... MC Ship Channel ( dual certified), A "ROLLED" channel is fabricated and in my eyes, not as strong as the bend would be a weak spot . When I was young and innocent, :-) I was working for the family business and my job one summer was Hydrostatic testing tubing welds and cuts... if I got soaked, it was bad :S To many to list hot rolled ,cold rolled ,MC ,standard etc etc . A-36, A-588 the list list goes on. Most likely ALL trailer frames use standard channel A-36, but I don't know for sure or if they get special rollings. We got special rollings that we fabricated for solar panel posts that you see in those big solar fields out of Las Vegas ,we cut ,and punch literally hundreds of thousands of those posts . If you looked at them they looked just like guardrail posts, but were lighter in the flange, and web. Yes, TOO MANY to list, with a wide range of sizes.. Been cutting and selling that and other steel, aluminum, stainless, tool steel almost all my life.. Then you know all about S1,S2 , D2 tool steel , A-588 weatherIng steel etc etc :B
cummins2014 05/28/20 12:26pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

One of the best frames was the Young's Welding frame that NuWa/Hitchhiker used for many years. Front over hang was manufactured with REAL channel iron. Whats REAL channel iron , thats a new one, I would assume channel thats rolled instead of bent ?? Yes rolled channel has the flanges getting thicker as it gets closer to the web, giving it more strength . Depends on the application I guess if you think it takes REAL channel . Technically. there is Bar Channel... "C" Channel ( most used ).."U" Channel... MC Ship Channel ( dual certified), A "ROLLED" channel is fabricated and in my eyes, not as strong as the bend would be a weak spot . When I was young and innocent, :-) I was working for the family business and my job one summer was Hydrostatic testing tubing welds and cuts... if I got soaked, it was bad :S To many to list hot rolled ,cold rolled ,MC ,standard etc etc . A-36, A-588 the list list goes on. Most likely ALL trailer frames use standard channel A-36, but I don't know for sure or if they get special rollings. We got special rollings that we fabricated for solar panel posts that you see in those big solar fields out of Las Vegas ,we cut ,and punch literally hundreds of thousands of those posts . If you looked at them they looked just like guardrail posts, but were lighter in the flange, and web.
cummins2014 05/28/20 11:37am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

Sadly Cummins 2014 most people don't know the difference between a good weld and a bad one, no experience. I spent over 42 years looking at welds, I have seen just about everything. I have seen welds we needed x-rayed , mag particle testing etc.Where I worked we had to X-ray or pressure test every weld and provide documentation. We got involved a little on the pressure testing, but we were mostly structural , that didn't need any testing other then out individual weld test for our people, and sent in to be tested . Knowing they could pass weld tests.
cummins2014 05/28/20 11:03am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

One of the best frames was the Young's Welding frame that NuWa/Hitchhiker used for many years. Front over hang was manufactured with REAL channel iron. Whats REAL channel iron , thats a new one, I would assume channel thats rolled instead of bent ?? Yes rolled channel has the flanges getting thicker as it gets closer to the web, giving it more strength . Depends on the application I guess if you think it takes REAL channel .
cummins2014 05/28/20 09:58am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

Sadly Cummins 2014 most people don't know the difference between a good weld and a bad one, no experience. I spent over 42 years looking at welds, I have seen just about everything. I have seen welds we needed x-rayed , mag particle testing etc.
cummins2014 05/28/20 09:46am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Buying tires? Check the DOT codes...

When I buy tires my limit on "age" is no more then 12 months from the date im buying them. Our rv and cargo trailer ST tires have a practical lifespan of 5 maybe 6 years so they will be useless to me beyond that. Learned early on that tread is not a safe indication of remaining life. Not too concerned with a year on the truck tire , but I don't want anything older then 6 months on the fifth wheel, considering its 5-6 years at best on the lifespan , thats a year off of that to start with .
cummins2014 05/28/20 09:41am General RVing Issues
RE: Tire Balance

It is an adaptor that holds the rim by the lug holes It has a center hole for attaching it to the balancing machine Most trailer rims need to be balanced this way as they are lug centric not hub centric Tire shops hate to use them if they even have them Why would trailer rims need to be balanced that way, just asking ,never seen them do it that way, just hub centric. I realize they are lug centric ,unlike our OE truck rims that are hub centric. Most aftermarket truck rims are also lug centric. Which I think decrease their weight rating compared to OE .
cummins2014 05/28/20 09:23am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

So if you are a welder you should know thinner metal at a weld can fail. NOT from the weld but simply that's a stress point with thin metal as specified bu the trailer mfg. Light n Cheap!!! So you are saying lightweight frames can’t be made strong ? You know what they say fellows, a weld can look good and be bad and look bad and be good, but Lippert wins the award for the worst in show category consistently. I sit here having a beer under the awning of someone I met yesterday and leaned over and took this picture. Nice huh? 5 seconds with a grinder by Lippert or even the RV manufacturer might have at least made it look like someone showed a little bit of pride. https://i.imgur.com/Usk6QGll.jpg For sure not a very pretty weld, probably a pretty sound weld, don't see any undercut, doesn't look like its cold, but hard to tell from the picture . It almost looks like it was run downhill , if so thats a no no in my book, always want to run vertical up, not down . Yes pretty welds mean nothing, but in reality if he is a good welder ,then his welds are going to look pretty good. Its usually going to have some undercut if its too hot, or if its not laying in there pretty flat ,looks rounded so to speak ,then its probably too cold, or a lot of splatter. Depends on the rod or wire. Got the heat set right, and its laid in there right, it does not have to be pretty. Its hard to tell from the picture, is that the hanger bracket for the leaf springs. ?? I see more bad looking welds on them then anything, that ,and they are usually pretty visible. Most everything else is usually covered up .
cummins2014 05/28/20 08:48am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

So if you are a welder you should know thinner metal at a weld can fail. NOT from the weld but simply that's a stress point with thin metal as specified bu the trailer mfg. Light n Cheap!!! So you are saying lightweight frames can’t be made strong ?
cummins2014 05/27/20 12:56pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

Having had 2 Grand Designs, currently a Solitude, I would not buy another. There is nothing Grand, at least not anymore. This current one has more issues than you can shake a stick at including frame flex now causing sealants to fail. I feel eventually we'll be facing cracks in the filon skin at some point. Grand Designs stellar service is no longer stellar. They might send you some cheap parts if you hound them enough, but the days of bending over backwards for the customer are over. What someone else said is dead on, they delete most of the negativity from their Facebook pages or factory sponsored forum. They build mediocre mass produced RVs like most of the others. What they still are able to maintain is a cult like following of owners who drink their Kool-Aid. I never joined. For the price, look at the Keystone Montana. Compare the size of the main frame rail to a comparably sized Grand Design and most others. You'll like what you see. There has been a lot of crying about frame failures on the Montana fifth wheels, they are far from immune . I owned two of them for nearly 14 years, and had good luck, like some that make that famous statement " I had no issues with mine " I got the a good one that was built in the middle of the week, after the hangovers were over with I guess :B
cummins2014 05/27/20 09:05am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

I “must” take a differing view on Lippert frames! They “may” build to the manufacuring specifications.....but, they have been plagued with quality control issues. These issues have “zero” to do with manufacturing specifications!!! memtb Its funny to hear I have zero issues, when weld quality can raise its ugly head on any unit , including the high end such as the Mobile suites. Building specs having nothing to do with the quality of the weld, if it's poorly welded its coming apart . Its hard to understand ,why we get to hear ,I have had zero issues, well that sure doesn't make the person or persons that are having the issues feel any better . Just because one doesn't have an issue, doesn't mean others didn't or couldn't . You're right that one person having zero issues doesn't mean a lot but the DRV frame is stronger by design than most other 5vers out there. I think you'd have a hard time comming up with any stories of DRV frame failures. That wasn't my point at all , I'm sure those DRV's are solid, they are heavy trailers. My point is Lippert is well known for poor welding, and there could always be the possibility of a weld failure. Have they stepped up their game, it seems you hear very little these days. Maybe those guys finally learned how to weld. I spent my entire working life in the steel fabrication business, I had a lot of guys that claimed they could weld, but could not pass a pretty simple weld test . We trained more welders than anything. We got a lot of guys that played with a welder in high school shop class , and at least knew how to turn the welding machine on, and we worked with them from there .
cummins2014 05/27/20 08:59am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

So says the one that actually did have a Sailun failure. Very good point, and I will elaborate, any fifth wheel , including yours can have a failure with poor welding, which lippert is famous for. None of of them are immune . Same with road hazards, makes no difference what brand of tire.
cummins2014 05/26/20 09:11pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Tire Balance

I do mine
cummins2014 05/26/20 01:21pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Leveling Blocks vs jack pads

We are in a very uneven site this year and the high points have a single 2" X 10" capped with a piece of plywood and the lowest spots have multiple 2" X 10"'s and a chunk of 6" X 6" on top. I'm guessing that there is close to a foot difference between high and low spots at the jacks. With having 6 point level-up now, my concern is being on a unlevel site. I have no idea when they have to extend further then they can, I have to assume you just don't get leveled up until they can't make solid contact. I need to read the fine print on that. I know a friend of mine mention he likes to use blocks regardless of level, just so he doesn't have them extended any further then needed .
cummins2014 05/26/20 10:47am General RVing Issues
RE: Best Fiver these days

I “must” take a differing view on Lippert frames! They “may” build to the manufacuring specifications.....but, they have been plagued with quality control issues. These issues have “zero” to do with manufacturing specifications!!! memtb Its funny to hear I have zero issues, when weld quality can raise its ugly head on any unit , including the high end such as the Mobile suites. Building specs having nothing to do with the quality of the weld, if it's poorly welded its coming apart . Its hard to understand ,why we get to hear ,I have had zero issues, well that sure doesn't make the person or persons that are having the issues feel any better . Just because one doesn't have an issue, doesn't mean others didn't or couldn't .
cummins2014 05/26/20 10:34am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Best Fiver these days

I haven't hear a complaint about about a newer model RV with a Lippert frame in several years. Like all the old ST tire complaints I think that has pretty much come to an end. B.O. Especially since Sailun hit the market, but there are still issues still with some , and at least one LT tire .I still see people on the forum with Lippert frame issue occasionally. I guess if it doesn't happen to you it's not a problem. I did purchase a new set of Sailun tires for the fiver last summer. Best G, and H rated tire on the market.
cummins2014 05/26/20 09:01am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Airbag fill ports?

Mine are where the top license plate holes are. As said , best place, most accessible etc. Its right there .
cummins2014 05/26/20 08:58am Tow Vehicles
RE: Best Fiver these days

I haven't hear a complaint about about a newer model RV with a Lippert frame in several years. Like all the old ST tire complaints I think that has pretty much come to an end. B.O. Especially since Sailun hit the market, but there are still issues still with some , and at least one LT tire .
cummins2014 05/26/20 08:34am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Tool box in a long bed?

https://i.imgur.com/wg0Xb5Ql.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LNUzZDyl.jpg This tool box is in a short box Chevrolet. I chose it as it has room under the tool box so I can carry full sheets of plywood or sheet-rock. I also store things under the tool box like tire chains and a set of 12 ton jack stands when towing. The tonneau cover starts at the tool box. It is in the rolled storage position now. The tonneau cover clears my hitch when deployed. So far after 15 years of towing with two fifth wheel trailers clearance to the tool box and rolled up tonneau cover has not been a problem. Looks like you need one of those extended run gas tanks for that generator ,you could eliminate at least one of those gas cans. They are very nice , with at Honda generator you have, plus not having to fill that often. On edit, it appears you have a hose running to that gas can on the right, so do you have an extended run system ??
cummins2014 05/26/20 07:41am Fifth-Wheels
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