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RE: Why Tesla's are bad at towing!

So what's everyone else's problem again?:hYes that is the part that grinds on me. Everyone has an example why Tesla or an EV in general cannot work for them. SO DON"T BUY IT Nothing works for everybody in every possible situation. Be happy for those that can make it work. Why is that so hard? Haters have to hate and the envious have to heckle.:B:S
Yosemite Sam1 12/06/19 11:27am Tow Vehicles
RE: Why Tesla's are bad at towing!

Oslo to Tronheim is about 300 miles BTW, Boston to Miami is 1500 miles. And how often do you drive Boston to Miami? Or 1500 miles? And do you drive 1500 miles without at least one overnight stop? (I sure don't). Assuming one eats meals out (car travel) then I'd stop for both lunch and supper. If I pushed *really* hard I could do 500 miles per day. That gives charging time at noon and supper, with overnight stop (full charge), another noon and supper, another overnight stop (full charge) and then lunch on the third day. That would be possible right now even with the limited number of charging locations. That’s kind of how we roll. The only time we charge is mealtimes or chihuahua breaks. We do a full charge overnight at the hotel so every morning we start with a full charge. No lost time to gas stations etc. BUT, a long day for us is not much more than 600 km. Off the road by 4 or 5. A quick swim or a little time in the exercise room, supper, kick back, rinse and repeat. Everybody travels different. Exactly, my daughter owns a Tesla X and travels between California and Nevada for their business and 99% of the time charges it at home. Her husband is happy as this keeps her hands off her Lambo Aventador although they now fight for the wheels on who drive the Tesla.:B I've ordered a Cybertruck to pull my RV and if I get 150 to 200 miles between charge, I'll be happy because that my normal stop for gas, lunch and toilet breaks anyways. So what's everyone else's problem again?:h
Yosemite Sam1 12/06/19 10:38am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range." All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples. Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking. Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale). So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling". Yes, but will it be too much to ask for a little more brain cells into your posts a support to your argument a "linear regression of battery technology to explain why EVs can't extend anymore range or cannot tow long range"? At least provide a cerebral counter-argument to those who have almost done a thesis on the realities of exponential progression on technologies of electric vehicles.I give up, you don't read, or maybe you read but don't comprehend. Either way, it's just a waste of electrons. Thesis, riiiiiight. I accept your terms of surrender!;) So again, think before you open your trap. Think of the children. You either add to their knowledge or contribute to their ignorance.:B
Yosemite Sam1 12/06/19 10:06am Tow Vehicles
RE: What is this make?

if theres any water stains?RUN!!!!!! I think I see a little tar repair at the roof edge line. And if it's screaming money pit headache.
Yosemite Sam1 12/05/19 09:30pm Travel Trailers
RE: Why Tesla's are bad at towing!

Norway who in March had 58% of new car sales are EV is planning of curb wireless charging. European countries, unlike us, don't see EV vehicles as political, tree-hugger socialist plot. Just that's economical, practical and environmentally sensible.
Yosemite Sam1 12/05/19 09:24pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range." All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples. Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking. Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale). So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling". Yes, but will it be too much to ask for a little more brain cells into your posts a support to your argument a "linear regression of battery technology to explain why EVs can't extend anymore range or cannot tow long range"? At least provide a cerebral counter-argument to those who have almost done a thesis on the realities of exponential progression on technologies of electric vehicles.
Yosemite Sam1 12/05/19 08:45pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range." All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples. Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking. Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale). So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
Yosemite Sam1 12/05/19 01:25pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Why Tesla's are bad at towing!

A lot comes down to the type of towing you do. Granted, most people on this forum are expected to hitch up a camper and go cross country so range is very important. On the other hand, I tow a trailer most every day with my business but rarely travel more than 120 miles in a day and there are probably quite a few contractors that meet that description. The Tesla truck would probably work out very well for me. There are quite a few people that just want to run down to the building supply store and pick up some lumber. The Model Y towing a small trailer would work for that. The advance orders for the Semi are mostly from companies with defined runs less than 500 miles between facilities that they own and can put charging stations at. I think that we will see EV's towing trailers first in niche markets then expanding. It would also be nice for me to be able to leave home every day fully charged and not have to worry with getting my trailer through gas stations. Meanwhile, Tesla keeps improving battery life and charging rates. This will make the EV as a tow vehicle more and more practical as time goes by. Agree. My daughter owns a Tesla X and move around California and Nevada for her business. 99% of time she charges at home. You cannot anymore tell her to go back to ICE with the convenience and cool factor she is having with Tesla. I ordered my Cybertruck to pull my travel trailer. If I can get 150 to 200 miles in between charging, I'll be ok with it as this is also my stops right now for gas, lunch and bathroom breaks. And think of the savings in gas and maintenance.
Yosemite Sam1 12/05/19 12:14pm Tow Vehicles
RE: exchanging propane cylinder that came with TT

Do humanity a favor and declare that the tank you are turning in is defective so nobody will have an accident trying to reuse or refill it.
Yosemite Sam1 12/05/19 12:03pm Travel Trailers
RE: Anza Borrego to the Sequoia’s for Thanksgiving Break

Thanks for sharing! And nice to know you have had lots of fun. As a occasional winter camper myself in the Sierras, you are brave. Upper Pines being shut down would have been a hint that the nearby Sequoia NP is also buried in snow -- and a lot more dangerous with the roads less well maintained and not well marked. But glad you are safe.
Yosemite Sam1 12/05/19 11:58am Truck Campers
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all. I don’t see a “real pickup” as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a “real pickup” being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid. And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so. My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on, so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly. Also Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any loadSo you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR! That's a step-down in technology really. Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range.
Yosemite Sam1 12/05/19 11:02am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all. I don’t see a “real pickup” as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a “real pickup” being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid. And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so. My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on, so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly. Also Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any loadSo you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR! Yah. Completely different company. Actually they have inter-company cross-support. My son when he worked for Tesla would have Space X and Solar City sitting with them in the meetings. Tesla and Solar City would even have package for home charging with roof panels. This technology complementation will good for us in case we live and love the boondocks and planning to be totally off grid.
Yosemite Sam1 12/05/19 10:59am Tow Vehicles
RE: Generator handling?

If you only need it for battery charging, get a smaller generator or 100w solar kit.
Yosemite Sam1 12/04/19 07:34pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

What happens if I don't ever tow anything like most truck owners? :E You will live happily ever after. But meanwhile, for the next two years, you should worry to death that your future Cybertruck will have a loss of 60% of its range in case you are planning to use it for towing.:p
Yosemite Sam1 12/04/19 07:24pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

"Seriously, when did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, did not hold or even exceeded by actual performance?" Uh, is that even a serious question? A better question would be "When did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, actually did match actual performance?" It's been my experience that copy writers and engineers rarely converse before the marketers start writing their copy. You seem to have a knack on telling people what to ask or post or structure a sentence? Are you a professor because I don't see you name signing a check as my boss, lol. And you, I don't know why you also want to substitute your experience and observations with ours. Yes, I worked for a global marketer, we bring the scientists, lawyers and marketers in one room to see to it that what represent as features and attributes are accurate -- the marketers and advertising people put in the hype but not untruth hyperbole.
Yosemite Sam1 12/04/19 02:07pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all. Seriously, have you seen the specs and capabilities of Cybertruck compared side-by-side with El Camino? By your logic, would not that mean that the F150s, Rams, etc. that never gets deployed on a work job or farm are also not "real pick up"?Seriously have you seen the "Cybertruck" perform side-by-side with an El Camino? When you have please report back. Paper figures are just that, and anybody can put anything on paper. Seriously, when did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, did not hold or even exceeded by actual performance?
Yosemite Sam1 12/04/19 01:16pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

For us RVers, what I'm waiting for are megachargers and Tesla configuring their charging stations as pull throughs for semi and cybertrucks pulling trailers. And if there are mega-chargers, would that make unnecessary their plans on quick battery exchange (10 minutes in their estimation at $50 a pop).
Yosemite Sam1 12/04/19 12:17pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all. Seriously, have you seen the specs and capabilities of Cybertruck compared side-by-side with El Camino? By your logic, would not that mean that the F150s, Rams, etc. that never gets deployed on a work job or farm are also not "real pick up"?
Yosemite Sam1 12/04/19 11:21am Tow Vehicles
RE: Yosemite National Park's Upper Pines closed...

What we really need for snow camping is a small nuclear reactor, but those pesky rules and regulations get in the way. ;) And if there is a meltdown, it will give new meaning to the words "warm and toasty",.
Yosemite Sam1 12/04/19 09:56am Public Lands, Boondocking and Dry Camping
RE: Tesla Cybertruck

Cybertruck's polarizing design isn't an accident. It's a manifestation of the 4 fundamental needs the vehicle was engineered to meet. Tesla has succeeded on all fronts. This has HUGE implications for the company and its mission, and the future of automotive design and manufacture. As a Tesla shareholder, I'm very excited for the future. Cybertruck had to be: 1. Low Cost (to make, and sell) 2. Function/Performance 3. Efficient 4. Safe It is all of these things and no other automaker can compete on ALL four of these -- unless they copy everything. This is REALLY important to understand as a long-term investor. Cybertruck is Engineering Genius Must be what the design engineers, car guys and the institutional investors saw for their declaration that Tesla is "must own' stock. I don't know how long I'll hold on to the stocks, but I'm a little more definite on the Cybertruck as a "must own", lol.:B
Yosemite Sam1 12/03/19 07:53pm Tow Vehicles
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