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RE: 320G first impressions

Nice looking rig. I'm glad to hear you didn't have more gremlins. Usually a new rig has a long list of warranty items. I like your convenience center. Did you remove a partition to fit your 50A cord like that? I have to give you a hard time though: Is that actually three cans of WD40? That's more than a lifetime supply. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49100240236_dcc4f9beaf_b.jpg width=800 I did not remove any partition. It's a passthru- kinda. The other side is a full rubbermaid bin width. Where the water is it angles in a bit, but is open all the way through. It's 2 bins deep before it angles, then there's about 3-4' of passage that's hard to reach unless you pull everything out. It may eventually our location for the bag chairs. I have heard of people reworking this area because they say there's a ton of wasted space behind that angle. If I get bored over winter maybe I will see if I can pull it off and rework it a bit. Angles are the devil for storage. If you look close I have my surge protector hanging on the right of the cord. The other clips are for the 50-20amp and 50-30 amp adapters The three cans are Slide lube, dry window lube and rubber seal lube/spray. They are in the white bin now. I may rework the area in the future. There's a lot of wasted space in the truss area that I could possibly use somehow too. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49124968987_f7a6e25a41_b.jpg width=800 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49124784366_ff79e3c9d4_b.jpg width=800 Hose storage. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49124288908_cd471ef3f5_b.jpg width=800 edit: fixed width
RoyBell 11/25/19 04:49pm Toy Haulers
RE: About to GO Full Time

6- Option it up. Make sure you have 3 AC units. If you travel somewhere warm, you will have enough cooling. If one goes down, you still have 2. Adding a 3rd to ours was only about $800 from the factory. Also make sure you have slide toppers. Full timing you will stay at CGs longer and all sorts of stuff will fall on your slide. The toppers will keep the slides clean of debris. Get the 3 season door so your deck is usable as a deck. Ours have three, but you can only run two at a time. There's a switch in the bedroom that toggles between the bedroom and garage AC. Sometimes it's a tough choice. The furnace doesn't make it to the garage either, so the garage gets the shaft for both seasons (we only have two seasons in SoCal). I can't comment since we haven't ran our AC yet, but supposedly it's designed to run all 3 or cycle between all 3 automatically. I am not sure how the system works because we haven't needed the AC yet. They are all linked together though, so you will get some output from the one that isn't running. When I ordered mine, there were 2 AC options. Just adding the third one, and this was the $300 more option: 3rd A/C Garage 15K BTU w/Load Management System https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K02WmNbz59k There is heat in my garage and it's insulated...but there is only a single vent on the inside wall. IMO not enough for a space that size. We ran an oil filled electric heater in ours to supplement the vent and it kept the garage toasty down to 18 degrees outside.
RoyBell 11/25/19 10:38am Toy Haulers
320G first impressions

I know this is a newer model, so I figured I would share my impressions of our first trip with it. The post is a bit long, so bear with me. I also posted this on the GD forums for those that aren't on that one. We ordered it from the factory. Every option except King bed and double pane windows. It took about 8 weeks to get over summer. I will preface this with our previous campers- A pop-up for 4 years, 28 quad bunk for 4 years, and now the 320G. I prepped the camper best I could for the 3 weeks before our trip. More below on that. We left Chicago, stopped in the middle of Kentucky, Northern West Virginia, Gatlinburg, Western North Carolina, Nashville, Effingham IL. About 2K miles of towing averaging 2 nights a stop. I did not weigh the camper, but in the garage we had the spare wheels, my Harley Ultra, portable grill. Assume approx 1200 lbs total. I ran with about 100 gallons of fresh water to offset the weight in the rear. Approx 800 gallons. I am assuming total weight of camper to be roughly 15.5-16K lbs loaded up with everything. Tow vehicle is a '16 Ram 2500 Megacab. It is tuned and deleted (although I only towed with the lowest +50 hp tune). I installed airbags and gooseball on the truck solely for this camper. Once we got the air pressure right on the hitch and airbags, it towed fantastic. I was afraid the single wheel 2500 would be unstable, but it was not. It towed 70mph all day no issues. I did not feel unsafe towing at all. I ordered a spare (2nd) spare tire for the camper AND my truck incase anything happened along the way. It did not luckily. The sweet spot for the airbags seemed to be 35lbs. Less air and it was a bit bouncy. More air and the truck was too high making the camper a little tail happy. I was going to buy the offset gooseball hitch, but did not. I would had to lower the hitch and inch to make up for the added height. Out of the 6 stops, 4 were back-ins, 2 were pull-thru. I had no issue backing in with the shortbed truck + regular gooseball. My biggest issue was swinging the front of the truck around and not hitting anything (tree, staying on the concrete, etc). I will start with the things we did to the camper first. We removed the factory kingpin from the camper and installed a Reese 20K lb goosebox. That's listed above. It was super easy to unhook and hookup. Some of the times I would have the wife back the truck up so I could lower the camper on the ball. It speed the process up because she was not willing to do that part. At most it took 3 tries backing up when we were at a weird angle to get it lined up right. Most of the time it was 1 or 2 tries. Installed Furrion observation cameras in pre-wired locations, plus installed the 4th camera in the garage to keep an eye on the cargo while traveling. I made a post here about it. The side cameras are useless because there is no frame of reference of where anything is, plus the distortion. The rear camera was awesome while traveling. It allowed me to keep my eyes forward without checking my mirrors constantly. I could see cars coming up from behind and going around me easily just by glancing at the screen. The camera in the garage allowed me to check on the bike when we were on rough roads and if I heard something funny and I thought the bike fell over a couple times. I seen some youtubers install the Level Mate Pro. It was helpful because I could see how far off level I was. I could be off approx 3.5" before the autolevel would lift a tire or 2 off the ground on the high side. All our sites were pretty level left to right so I didn't need to do any leveling beyond self leveling. I have it mounted on by the front storage area. Bluetooth seemed almost out of range there. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not. I will probably relocate it to the driver side storage, or possible front storage to get it closer to the driver seat. I installed straps for the ladders under the loft bed in the garage. They are out of the way and secure. We found containers for all the storage areas. Cheap plastic ones from menards worked great in the fridge. The fridge is so wide that it allowed us to keep stuff separated, secured and allowed us to pull out stuff without keeping the door open all day. I have read that stuff will scrape the frosted glass so we made sure not to have anything that could touch the glass. I cut some boards for the bathroom cabinet. It worked great having 3 shelves for towels and bath supplies. Nothing is nailed down/glued, and it stays up fine. I will likely do the same for the big one in the kitchen above the pantry. A case of wine will fit perfectly up there, along with 3 jugs of water though. Outside storage seems to be lacking on this model, but I made due. I put hooks for all the power cords and adapters in the waterside of the pass-thru. The 50amp cord is so heavy that having it coiled up after each move and putting it on the hooked kept it neat and out of the way. It's coiled up with 2 velcro straps. My hose is coiled up with a velcro strap and carabiner and hanging off one of the propane tanks. I had my 15' rinoflex tube hanging on the other propane tank, but forgot that I never got a carabiner on it. 20 minutes into the trip I saw it drop and get destroyed on the highway. It was at that moment I remember that I had forgotten to get a fastener on that side. Oops. I have a generator and 2nd battery so that takes up a lot of the front storage space. I fastened some unistrut on top of the generator box for my rubbermaid boxes to sit. There are electronics on the backwall and I did not want them destroyed in transit by the boxes hitting them. The strut prevents this and allows me to have 2 rubbermaid bins + the sidewinder sewer support up there. I have my sewer adapters in a box next to the batteries. I also installed a battery powered motion light since there is no light in the front bunk. I ordered additional door bins for the fridge doors, but they arrived after we left. That was the extent of the little things I did. I installed my TPMS from the other camper so I could watch the tires. Worked as well as the last camper. Now for the camper itself. Awesome. It was just the wife and I, no kids, so the camper was more than large enough for the 2 of us. If we were full timing, I would opt for the 351 or larger model for the larger kitchen. The kitchen is fine on the 320G for 1 person at a time. Sometimes someone is cooking and someone else needs something out of the cabinets. Not happening. For our purposes of weekend camping, it is fine. It averaged 20 degrees at night for almost the whole trip. We used the electric fire place set to 70, an electric oil filled heater in the garage and the furnance set to 70 to keep the underside/water area warm. We went through approx 75 lbs of propane over 2 weeks. Camper was warm inside, but the floor was cold when the temps dropped. I don't think the double pane windows would had made any difference with those temperatures. The rear bathroom has no heater so after a week I picked up a little electric 200 watt heater which was all it needed to stay warm. The heated seats are awesome. We thought it was a gimmick at first. However, on the cold nights and early morning it was nice to keep our buns warm. TV placement was perfect. We toyed with the 328g because the open floor plan was nice. We didn't care for the TV placement and I liked the idea of 2 toilets. Originally I wasn't a fan of a slide in the "porch" area, something that Grand Design loves to do. However, after living with it for 2 weeks I actually prefer it. It makes perfect sense. Why would you want want your main window to be facing the neighbors vs your own side? The 2nd bathroom was awesome for just the 2 of us. I used the rear bath and she used the front bath. We had zero mechanical issues and only real issue was the swing door into the garage wouldn't stay closed during transit. I had to wedge a box between the door and strap to keep it closed. The deck we only used a few times since it was so cold. The 3 season glass doors did a surprisingly good job of keeping the cold out. One day we were able to setup the rear bunk sofas and have coffee out there and watch the stream behind the camper. The bed was pretty uncomfortable, but by the end of the 1st week my body was getting accustomed to it. I wouldn't mind a nicer mattress. It's a lot nicer than the last camper mattress though. The sofa was very comfortable and the ambiance with the fire place was perfect. We got the upgraded stereo. I can't comment much since we didn't blast it much. Initially it sounds great. The sub thumps pretty good the little we turned it up. The Jensen receiver is nice when it connects to my phone. A lot of control from the app like turning zones off, up and down, and choosing input. Interface from the deck and the app were a little clumsy to operate though. The TV is not a smart tv which was annoying considering the price point of the camper. It was too cold for campfires so 4 days in I ordered a firestick and picked it up on the way to one of the campsites. At night we were able to stream our shows through our hotspot or the campground wifi. One of the reasons we settled on the 320G was the length and CCC. We also wanted a dedicated garage for the toys vs being in the middle of the kitchen or having to unload them to use the camper. I am storing it in the dock at my office. It is 39' long which limited how big a camper I could get. CCC was approx 3K lbs whereas the 38' models only had about 2K lbs. That meant the Cycle and half tank of water at most. I really like the layout of the 351M and the under 40' length, however it just wouldn't have enough CCC for our needs+ a bit long for my storage. One of my main concerns was that the pin weight would be too light. On paper, with 1000 lb bike in the back, it appeared as though the pin would be under 20% I didn't get a chance to weigh it, but with the water tank filled up it seemed to be just fine. We were a little worried about moving into a 5th wheel and taller camper. It was no worries though. It's overall length is shorter when towing than my 28QB was (34' OAL). I was for sure worried I was going to rip the top of the camper off under a low bridge, but did not. I picked up a Garmin RV GPS before we left for peace of mind. It routes based on known bridge heights. If anyone has any questions on the model, let me know. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49100240236_dcc4f9beaf_b.jpg width=800 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095110362_8c673e13e9_b.jpg width=800 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49084499316_bc114682da_b.jpg width=800 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49081028252_6fb6332fc9_b.jpg width=800 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49080255023_e44a85ebb0_b.jpg width=800 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49100438072_181aba1ee9_b.jpg width=800 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49100783096_ae6dc86bbb_b.jpg width=800 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49100773151_056656c67a_b.jpg width=800 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49100966147_23e7efc5cf_b.jpg width=800 Mod Edit: Correct photos, when posting here please set the width to a maximum of 800x wide. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095261912_bc1bdf6603_b.jpg width=800
RoyBell 11/25/19 06:59am Toy Haulers
RE: About to GO Full Time

If full timing, I would want these things: 1- 2 separate baths, or at least a half bath. My wife is a mess in the bathroom. We have separate bathrooms at home and it works very well for us :). Our camper has the bath and a half which is nice because I can do my business in the rear half bath. 2- Make sure your tanks are large enough that you don't need to worry about finding a hookup or cleanout. Our blacks @ 40 gallon each lasted us a full 2 weeks (80 gal total between the 2). Our grey is 40 I think? It lasts us 4 normal showers (ie: water running not turning it off) and some dishes before it's full. I would had preferred a 60-80 gallon but we only have a 36' camper. 100+ fresh water is ideal so you aren't freaking out if you can't find water. Most triple axle trailer double the capacity of all those tanks. 3- Kitchen or open floor plan kitchen is a must for full time I think. We have a peninsula style kitchen. It's functional and fine for our weekend style camping, but I could not live with that full time. 4- Figure out the length you will need. Shorter is better for campsites. Longer is better for full time. Our garage is 11' and my Ultra fits fine. I hold it far enough back that the antenna has to come off the rear pack or it will rub on the 3 season doors. That allows plenty of room for walking in front of the bike and getting to the half bath. 5- Check the stove. Some campers (like ours) has no counter space on either side of the stove. That is OK for our type of camping since most of the cooking is done outside and it was a compromise to keep the length short as possible with a full garage. However, for full time, that would drive me nuts. 6- Option it up. Make sure you have 3 AC units. If you travel somewhere warm, you will have enough cooling. If one goes down, you still have 2. Adding a 3rd to ours was only about $800 from the factory. Also make sure you have slide toppers. Full timing you will stay at CGs longer and all sorts of stuff will fall on your slide. The toppers will keep the slides clean of debris. Get the 3 season door so your deck is usable as a deck. 7- Forget the "residential fridge". I know they are likely better quality than an RV fridge, but I like having the propane option when traveling vs running the generator to keep it going. We have a 12 CF fridge and I think the largest on the market is 18CF which is pretty dang big. 8- Make sure you get a generator. Nothing worse than having no power at the campground and it allows our more places to camp (ie boondocking) As far as brands go, we settled on a Grand Design. We are happy with it. The specs were better than other models we looked at. Better tires (G rated vs F rated), upgraded suspension with wet bolts, higher CCC, more cabinets, ducted heat/ac (no floor vents), more ambient lighting (under counter, above cabinet, etc).
RoyBell 11/25/19 06:53am Toy Haulers
RE: Just wondering

I am a Ram guy, but if I were looking at Fords, it would be the 450. That wide front axle is awesome. It allows much tighter turning than your standard 1 ton. I would also think that you could register it down to 1 ton on the plates. At least in IL I think you can do that. If Ram had the 4500 with the pickup bed I would be driving one of them right now. Ford saw the market for that and got that part right.
RoyBell 11/25/19 06:07am Toy Haulers
RE: Let's talk generators - again.

I have never had that much trouble finding propane. Yes after hours might be tough at times. Google says Cocke County Gas should have been able to fill you up. Anyway if I had a propane Onan I would be carrying at least 4x 30# cylinders. I rarely use 60 lbs in one year of camping, let alone 30 lbs in 3 days. However, temps were in the 20s and high teens the night before that first tank ran out. Cocke County Gas would had been good, but they are closed on Saturday and Sundays. M-F hours are 7:30am-4:30pm. We rolled out of West Virginia Friday morning and arrived in Newport that evening. The tank didn't run out until Friday after dinner. Seeing the propane fill at our campground I figured I would fill when we got back from exploring the Smokies that Saturday evening. I was wrong. Google also says that the Murphy USA fills, they don't even have exchanges. I am not saying it's impossible to refill. I am saying it can be very difficult at times, especially during the colder months when places are using more propane than during summer months. Their supply may be depleted when you are counting on them. Pretty rare for a gas station to run out of regular gas.
RoyBell 11/20/19 03:34pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Let's talk generators - again.

I know this post is a little old, but I got just back from a 2 week trip with the following observations in regards to getting propane tanks filled. Finding places to fill propane is incredible difficult if you aren't in major towns. If you need a fill on Sunday or after hours, most propane fill places are closed on Sundays/after hours. I was in Newport TN and I spent 2 days trying to fill one of my empty 30lb tanks. I have a gas generator, my propane was for our furnace and fridge while moving. Our campground was out of propane. I called Lowes 20 minutes in town and they said, yea, we refill. I specifically asked if they refill. I get there, and they only had 20 lb exchanges. Walmart next, door same thing. The couple gas stations listed on google as having propane fill had no propane of any kind. I gave up. Went back to our campground and asked them who fills. They said, oh, the campground (KOA) next to us fills. I Called them up that night and they said, yea, we refill propane but we are closed currently. No problem, just swing there in the AM before we leave and fill it up. I drive over there- Nope, no filling. WTF. They said to go on down to the corner hardware store. 20 minutes back into town I get to the hardware store and they were able to fill me up. They were closed when I went into town the first time so it wouldn't had mattered if I knew they were there. I run my tank out again (I have 2 ) the night before we were leaving for home. The campground I was at had a fill station. I paid my $28 to have it filled. We get out there, and they can't get the propane in. Not sure what is going on. I told them the hardware store in TN had no problem filling it....They gave up and said you might want to try the walmart down the street. Well, Walmart doesn't fill. I said screw it, I will just fill it once I get it home. If I had 20 lb tanks and didn't mind the expensive $20-$25 exchange, I would had been OK. Trying to get your own tanks filled proved difficult while on the road. I did, however, pass quite a few gas stations trying to get them filled. A couple gas cans in the back of the truck and it would had been easy to get that petrol generator back running.
RoyBell 11/20/19 03:07pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: My Grand Design 320G came in!

Just got back from the maiden voyage. 2 weeks, 2500 miles. Camper performed flawlessly. Only "real" issue was the door to the garage would not stay closed while moving. I stuck a cardboard box between the door and strap for the cycle to keep it closed during transit. As for the comment on the double pane windows, I don't think it was necessary, especially at the $2000+ cost plus the added weight. Maybe if we were full-timing. Most nights it was high 20s and one night it got into the high teens. Camper stayed warm with the fire place and furnace set to 70. The floor was really the only cold part of the whole camper. The ram 2500 performed better than expected. The airbags seemed to really help from what I can tell. I ran 35lbs and it was the sweet spot. I carried about 100 gallons of freshwater the whole trip to offset the weight of the cycle in the rear. The only thing I will change with the setup is to get more aggressive gearing on the truck. The factory 3.42s are OK for the flat lands, but it's lacking a little on grades over 5%. I think some 3.73/4.11s will work the turbo less resulting in better MPGs too. I would like to lower the front a notch on the hitch, but I am afraid it would be too close to the bed. I am current sitting about 6" which is what everyone says it should be... It seemed to tow ok so maybe it's fine. I will do a full report when I get a chance. Here's a couple pictures in the mean time. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49080255023_e44a85ebb0_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49081028252_6fb6332fc9_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49080247853_e51332eea9_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49081031002_85f1dc2982_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49080322663_e660142df7_b.jpg
RoyBell 11/17/19 01:41pm Toy Haulers
RE: My Grand Design 320G came in!

Congrats! GD trailers are some of my favorite styles. They just do modern looking quality looking, right. Maiden voyage is the honeymoon? You gonna name it the stabbin' cabin?? Congrats on that too! Yes sir. Been moving up from our pop-up, 28' quad bunk and now this beaut. We are getting married in 2 weeks. Timing wise I thought, hey, why don't we break it in proper. She liked the idea so we are booked now. 2200 mile loop to the Smokies and back.
RoyBell 10/17/19 05:57am Toy Haulers
RE: Backup camera

For those with the Furrion Observation camera, do you have the side cameras? My trailer came prepped for them and they look pretty cool. Watching video reviews online it appears the 4 camera view only stays visible for about 10 seconds, making it pretty useless as a guide while driving though. The 4th camera would be useful in the garage watching the cargo or bed of the truck to help hitch up.
RoyBell 10/11/19 07:12am Fifth-Wheels
RE: My Grand Design 320G came in!

Thanks everyone. seriously thinking about the OEM Furrion cameras now since they are plug and play. Congrats! Did Grand Design work with you on the Gooseneck setup? I ordered the Reese Goosebox. You swap out the king pin for the Goosebox. Lippert will honor your frame warranty if you use this piece. The future Mrs and myself pulled the old one off and got the reese installed in about an hour. Wasn't too bad really. https://www.reeseprod.com/products/pin-boxes/goose-box/gooseneck-rv-coupler/Jsbr87GrqXnapVUQgaaYyvax6qakN26Y I didn't have the 5th wheel prep, so putting in the goose ball was pretty simple and leaves a clean bed now. I will have to take it out next weekend and see how turning radius is with the shortbed and standard ball. I was able to back into my driveway without any issues though. This was my first time towing anything that wasn't a bumper pull. Other than being a hair bouncier over rough roads, it was pretty silent back there. It's about twice the weight of my last camper for reference.
RoyBell 10/10/19 04:24pm Toy Haulers
My Grand Design 320G came in!

Custom ordered and it came in 8 weeks as promised. We are really excited to take it for our maiden voyage next month on our Honeymoon. Opted for pretty much all options, except for king bed, dual pane windows and solar. We put the goosebox on in the camper parking lot and it was so easy to hook and unhook. Here she is hooked up to my 2500. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48870278742_6bf3bbc30d_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48874861513_f08a6fa360_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48875395336_a68e840621_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48875594927_04ba3c0c46_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48874869973_f5ee9952df_c.jpg I will get some more pictures once she's actually all opened up and and in use.
RoyBell 10/10/19 07:29am Toy Haulers
RE: Happijak Bunk Mod - are 3 Bunks Possible?

Some of the models add another set of bunks next to it, making 4 factory bunks. Obviously the rig gets a bit longer then.
RoyBell 09/30/19 06:03am Toy Haulers
RE: Good hitch for SB Ram/Momentum combo

Well I ended up putting the gooseball in. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48623741857_aab0f01547_c.jpg Also put air bags on. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48705768392_91f0d19271_c.jpg Only thing I haven't figured out yet is if I am going with Goosebox or Anderson. I go back and forth. I think I should be ok with the Goosebox, but I didn't realize how much bed space is not usable with the hitch swinging around. I can't use an auto slider or sidewinder with the gooseball so those are out of the question currently. Everyone says the Anderson ultimate will destroy your frame, however I haven't found much evidence supporting this. And for the offset ball, I did the calculation on another forum and it comes out to roughly 80 lbs off the front axle with 4" offset. That's not much. I would get a new truck, but I am not going to buy a first year Ram. I have at least another year with my current truck. 4 more weeks to decide what to do...
RoyBell 09/09/19 08:27am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Let's talk generators - again.

I would not feel comfortable inside Cracker Barrel eating lunch with my truck engine running to keep A.C going for the dog! Sorry but I do not have that much faith in my fellow man that someone won't drive off with my truck,5th wheel and dog! However leaving dog inside RV with the AC on is easy with the 5500 lp. Push the button for the electric, and turn on the AC. No cords, no chains,no gas worries. Far fewer security risk. Secondly yes the RV can be hot but it starts to cool immedaily. 2 AC's going with slides retracted you feel the cool air immediately. The animals are not exposed to very high heat. Certainly no worse than getting into a hot car during the summer. My dog is very content in RV with AC on. I leave my dog in my truck when we are out and decide to stop somewhere to eat or a location that does not allow dogs. I lock the door from outside and leave the truck running. Parked in a parking lot it's not too likely someone is going to notice a truck running in the middle of the day and attempt to steal it.
RoyBell 09/04/19 06:28am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Let's talk generators - again.

I rather have the Gasoline version personally. Easier to see how much fuel is left with an actual gauge. I would think you could get gasoline much easier than propane at any given moment. With 30 and 40 lb tanks you are limited to a refill rather than an exchange. I am only 37, but manhandling 30 and 40 lb propane tanks every time I go camping seems like an unnecessary chore to me. Propane is less efficient than gasoline and costs more as well. If propane is 1.1 gal per hour, for 48 hours of use you are using 52 gallons of LP. 1 gallon of propane= 4.2 lbs. My local joint is $1 per pound for a refill. 52 gallons x 4.2 lbs= 218lbs total. @ $1 per lb, that's $218 for 48 hours of generator use. Gasoline version is .9 gal per hour, over 48 hours of use you use 43 Gallons of gas. Gas by me is currently 2.50 a gallon, so $86 in gasoline. To extend that out, assume 400 hours of generator use for a year, which may be in line for a full timer? Propane= $1848 Gasoline= $900 Another thought, if you only use half of your propane bottle, you still have to pull it out to refill it. If you use half of your gasoline, you can fill it up when you are filling up your vehicle. The only downside of the gasoline version is gas doesn't last as long sitting idle. However, I never had an issue with gasoline if it's been treated for long term storage. This includes all my vehicles that sit for 5-6 months at a time over winter.
RoyBell 09/03/19 06:43am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Another generator thread? yea, want your ideas, please?

I would get a built-in petrol generator. My truck uses diesel, but it's much easier to carry around cans of petrol and fill stuff with petrol out of a can vs diesel which seems to always get all over everything. I have used portables on my TT and they are a pain to use, usually loud since they are out in the open unless you put them in your rig, and then their tanks are so small you are filling them often. A Propane generator runs approx 20% less efficient than gas, so it's going to suck down propane unless you size it 20% larger than it should be...at which point it will still suck down propane. I enjoy watching full timers on youtube and it seems that people have good luck with solar and lithium batteries. Apparently they can run quite a bit with a decent setup, including AC. If I was going to full time, I would do some deep research into this setup.
RoyBell 08/27/19 06:35am Fifth-Wheels
RE: How big a pain to sell a 17 year old Alpha Gold?

Tips for a quick sale - pictures, lots of them. Quality pictures too. If something is broken or scratched, take a picture. If you have 500 pictures, then the people looking in person will already have a good idea of what they are looking at. I imagine a lot of people that end up with no buyers is because they only have a few pictures so people are going there sight unseen. - Price it realistic. Having it priced too high, no one will look. Priced too low and people will thing something is wrong with it. If you get a solid offer, take it or counter with something realistic. Don't lose a buyer over $500. Your time is worth more than that. check RVtrader for the same or similar models. See what they are listed at. If you are higher, you likely won't get any bites. - Fix anything that needs fixed. People like buying things that are ready to use. No one really enjoys buying a camper and needing to put tire son immediately, or fixing a cabinet door....etc. - Clean it out. Selling a camper full of someone elses possessions is really difficult. Good luck.
RoyBell 08/23/19 08:55am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Financing for used toy hauler.

If buying from a dealer, it's always best to have an idea of what you are approved for before you step in the door. Then let them know you have acquired your own financing but willing to use their bank if they have better rates. The dealer was telling me up front their rates were 6.25%. I let them know my CU was 5.2%. Then all of a sudden the dealer was offering 5.2% too. My first rig I bought not knowing what I was approved for...hoping my CU was less than the dealers. Thankfully it was.
RoyBell 08/20/19 09:12am Toy Haulers
RE: Financing for used toy hauler.

In my experience, local CU seem to have the most aggressive rates unless you can beat the dealer up to match. I am buying new and my local CU is the same as the dealers bank this time. Both are ~5.2% on a new rig ($40K loan). I am hoping that rates drop a bit by the time it comes in or I may just take out of savings. My last RV loan in 2015 with the CU was 4.25% (albeit a lot less $) and the dealer bank wanted close to 6%. Crazy rates for the amount of financing on these bigger rigs.
RoyBell 08/20/19 07:00am Toy Haulers
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