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RE: 2023 camping season

What costs are rising that one wouldn’t incur at home?
Reisender 01/26/23 01:23pm RV Lifestyle
RE: Flying J / Pilot to install megachargers for med/heavy trks

There seems to be a lot of peripheral arguments both for and against EV's. As run100 just posted above its hard to get all the facts about EV's, but to me math does not lie. So, if you look at it in simple terms and compare apples to apples most EV's that I have looked at take 30 KW's to drive 100 miles. In my state they just raised my electric rate to 33 cents per KW. So, to drive 100 miles in an EV it cost $9.90. My Rav4 hybrid gets 42 MPGs on average, so it takes 2.4 gals to drive 100 miles. At $3.00/gal that is $7.20 at $4.00/gal that is $9.60. That is not cheaper for me where I live. When I looked at a tesla several years ago, I plotted a trip to Florida. Their GPS gives you all the charging stations along the way. They varied from 34 to 50 cents /KW which I'm sure by now they have gone up also. At 50 cents a KW it would cost $15 for every 100 you travel. $225 from CT to Florida vs $144 in my RAV4 at $4.00/gal. So, unless you live in a low-cost state, have access to free charging and don't drive long trips where you need a fast charger, to me an EV is not cheaper to drive. It’s a good point. Some regions are cheaper than others for electric and gas. Although it’s dirt cheap to drive electric over gas where we are that’s obviously not the case everywhere. Having said that many people buy EV’s for other reasons such as performance, tech and convenience not to mention the completely different driving experience. Not the right fit for everybody though. Everybody has different needs and wants.
Reisender 01/22/23 01:02pm General RVing Issues
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

Body panel alignment has never been a criteria for a car purchase for me. Most of the general public won't understand or even notice what you are referring to. I may pay closer attention on a used car in an effort to look for possible accident damage but otherwise who cares on a new car. You see lots of Teslas on the road. They have taken huge market share from BMW and Mercedes. For better or worse at the end of the day the public is interested in Tesla's game changing innovation and could care less about body panel alignment. Yah. We have had two teslas. A 3 and a Y. The quality on both was better than our Gesnd Cherokee. We have had two minor issues in three years. A camera alignment and a rear seat that didn’t fold down smoothly when the button was pressed. In both cases the service was done by tesla at our house. I have never had any manufacturer do that. Getting an appointment for the Jeep was always weeks away. Tesla was less than a week in both cases and it was all done on the app. Happy customers.
Reisender 01/22/23 12:37pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Unable to identify model of trailer

Probably built in Oliver BC. There was a citation/Corsair factory there for years.
Reisender 01/18/23 09:46am Travel Trailers
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

Yep. Europe will be on the cutting edge of this out of necessity. For smaller vehicles electric is nice because you can fuel at home in your driveway. And it’s relatively cheap compared to gas. Hydrogen is pricey. And the amount of solar homes is growing really fast so much of your fuel comes from your roof. It will be fun to watch. Electric works well for some and your compact RV setup is cool. Ignoring the fact that our 200A panel is full with no room for another 240 volt breaker (yes we have solar) and 120 volt charging may be too slow, we have been known to do 450 mile one-day drives into winter storm warnings to ski areas. I couldn’t see doing that in a BEV. So choice is good. Yah. Choice is excellent. If you ever want to go the BEV route you can always just go the load share device route. They are pretty popular up here on the homes with 100 amp panels. It essentially loads shares a 30, 40 or 50 amp 240 out breaker from something like a stove, or dryer, or hot tub or whatever. The sharing is user determined by time, or use or whatever. Eg your dryer circuit becomes your EV charge circuit between 1 and 6 in the morning. We have a 100 amp panel but fortunately we have a gas furnace so a 32 amp EVSE was possible without the load share thingy. We occasionally do a 940 kilometre (ish) road trip in winter. Hasn’t been an issue for us. But of course there needs to be charging infrastructure on the routes you travel. We are fortunate that way. Cheers.
Reisender 01/17/23 02:47pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Rivian R1S

Another idea; If driver of MH could power up the toad on the fly, make toad pull itself, or even push, on steep hills, or when need to accelerate. This would make room in battery for the regen. ROFL. Or what if it could fly, like a Jestons car, or teleport itself to the next destination…. Oh wait. Self driving is basically fully functional. You could have it virtually hitched to the Moho….. That’s kind of what Toyota is working on. I saw an article a week or two ago. I think it was titled hitchless towing or something like that. A google search might bring up something. Essentially a vehicle with self driving autonomy would do that. There are a few manufacturers working on that although I think it’s still 2 or 3 years away. Who knows. The challenge would be the vehicle still needs to be fueled or charged manually. But of course there will be solutions for that too. Fun to watch the technology change. On edit. I found a video on it. Hitchless towing.
Reisender 01/17/23 02:25pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

Let's get back to the thread before this goes political and the moderators end up having to close this out. No state will ban EVs and although EVs will grow in the market, they won't displace ICEs. As far as Hydrogen, the chasllenges are even worse than electricity for massive applications. Although it is fast to transfer to the vehicle, the space required to accomodate a decent amount in a vehicle is significantly more than gas or batteries and the distribution network is non-existent (keep in mind, for EVs the distribution network was already built). Production of hydrogen continues to be a problem unles the latest new technologies work out (like direct-from-sea hydrogen mining). Hydrogen is today where EVs were 15-20 years ago, after Honda and GM produced their first electric cars. The technology has great potential, but there won't be real market applications for at least a decade. First of all, the phase-out of ICE vehicles in some states by 2035 still allows for 20% plug-in hybrid ICE vehicles. Also hydrogen vehicles are EVs, Fuel-cell-electric-vehicles (FCEV) and they are included in the EV 2035 mandates. Hydrogen is far more energy dense than lithium batteries. The Nexo in the previous article has a capacity of 14 lbs of hydrogen which has a gross energy of 250 kWh which allows for a 380 mile range. The US is planning to fund up to 8 hydrogen hubs. Actually hydrogen is being distributed via liquid hydrogen tankers today and can be used to distribute the hydrogen from the hubs. US will have to race to keep up with the progress of the rest of the world. Europe is phasing out diesel semis by 2040. Green hydrogen produced fossil-free steel was shipped to Volvo 18 months ago link. Denmark for example is planning a 1 GW, 400 ton per day green hydrogen facility that will fuel 1/3 of their semi trucks. You can view the design here.. Australia goes all-in on green hydrogen link. Yep. Europe will be on the cutting edge of this out of necessity. For smaller vehicles electric is nice because you can fuel at home in your driveway. And it’s relatively cheap compared to gas. Hydrogen is pricey. And the amount of solar homes is growing really fast so much of your fuel comes from your roof. It will be fun to watch.
Reisender 01/17/23 02:11pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

That's OK, just read that Montana plans to BAN EV sales by 2035 Interesting. The choice of gas cars will be getting pretty slim by then. 3/4 and 1 ton trucks (and bigger) are not affected by any sales restriction so people will still be able to buy those. That and Toyotas I suppose, and Mazda if they are still around. If they don’t install charging infrastructure tourism will be limited from outside the state. In 2035 gas stations will still be common thru out North America but they will be on the decline. So when people from there leave the state fueling will slowly become more of an issue. It will be kinda cool though. Visiting there in 30 years will be like going to Cuba and seeing all the cool old cars. Nice. :) Even after 2035, you'll still be able to buy gas cars from other states and register them in Cali. I should have added that Cali is the only state all in on 2035. Yah could be. I’m not up on American legislation. That wouldn’t work here if the model was 2035 or later. But yah, that would work if it was 2034 or older. But anything over 8599 pound GVWR (or metric equivalent) has no restriction or end date. So as long as the SUV or Truck is over that there is no restriction. At least in this province. I’m not sure about our federal plans. Like I say though, I doubt there will be many gas cars available by then.
Reisender 01/17/23 12:06pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

The choice of gas cars will be getting pretty slim by then. 3/4 and 1 ton trucks (and bigger) are not affected by any sales restriction so people will still be able to buy those. That and Toyotas I suppose, and Mazda if they are still around. If they don’t install charging infrastructure tourism will be limited from outside the state. In 2035 gas stations will still be common thru out North America but they will be on the decline. So when people from there leave the state fueling will slowly become more of an issue. Maybe in Canada, I wouldn't bet on it in the US. Hi Nick. Bet on what aspect?
Reisender 01/17/23 11:26am Tow Vehicles
RE: Rivian R1S

Not of great interest to Class A, B and C Rvers. I am still waiting to get a report on using a Rivian as a toad. If it works I might just trade.... Could it be setup to add braking on a downhill? Regenerative? Another idea; If driver of MH could power up the toad on the fly, make toad pull itself, or even push, on steep hills, or when need to accelerate. This would make room in battery for the regen. Great idea. But probably a pretty small market for a manufacturer to invest in the R&D needed. That would be mostly software. Toyota is working on “follow me” software where the car would just follow the Motorhome. That would be a more universal approach as you could use any car as a toad. Or just tell it to meet you at the campsite. :). Mercedes and Tesla are probably not that far from that now with their (future) autonomous driving software packages.
Reisender 01/17/23 10:10am Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

That's OK, just read that Montana plans to BAN EV sales by 2035 Interesting. The choice of gas cars will be getting pretty slim by then. 3/4 and 1 ton trucks (and bigger) are not affected by any sales restriction so people will still be able to buy those. That and Toyotas I suppose, and Mazda if they are still around. If they don’t install charging infrastructure tourism will be limited from outside the state. In 2035 gas stations will still be common thru out North America but they will be on the decline. So when people from there leave the state fueling will slowly become more of an issue. It will be kinda cool though. Visiting there in 30 years will be like going to Cuba and seeing all the cool old cars. Nice. :)
Reisender 01/17/23 08:31am Tow Vehicles
RE: Rivian R1S

Hard to say. BC hydro plans to populate both the highway to Alaska and the one to the yukon with DC fast chargers every 80 to 120 kilometers. Big project. At this point they are projecting 2025 as a completion date. They have been pretty good with staying on schedule on other routes. It wouldn’t surprise me if they gitterdun.Amazing how fast a business will move if they can distribute additional product. Sometimes I wonder why the US utilities are holding back. Found the map. Big project. And some stretches are single phase power. There have been some rumors of them using those boost chargers by free wire. They have a 160 kwh batteriy on board. They only need a single 240 volt 100 amp feed but can fast charge at 150 kw. Max 14 cars per day. Those are getting quite common here in BC. In the last month we have seen at least 20 of those go in here in the last 3 or 4 weeks. Mostly at convenience stores located at shell gas stations. Pretty cool tech. Here is the BC hydro map. A lot of these south of highway 16 are already in. We used them on the island a lot. Cool thing about chargers is they are open 7 and 24. Definitely not the case on those northern routes right now. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52631955001_300573c206_c.jpg And BC hydro is starting to make trailer friendly sites. This one is in Lillooet. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52385847662_12f3187204_c.jpg And here is a pic of a boost charger. Big suckers, but need almost no infrastructure. Just a single 100 amp 240 volt line. Hope they use these up north. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52632243509_3dc85d0537_z.jpg
Reisender 01/16/23 07:56pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Rivian R1S

"I have read many Canadian gasoline stations also close in the winter if traveling to/from AK. Am I wrong?" I made my 1st winter trip on the Alcan going from Los Anchorage to Seattle area in 1972....I had only a learner's permit at the time and was on the trip with my uncle's foreman to help get hay and a trailer from Seattle and return. I would estimate that at that time 75% of the roadhouse stations through YT/BC outside of identified cities were closed in (IIRC) January...part of that was that there were a LOT more places 50 years ago and the winnowing effect was taking place. A colleague (admittedly not my direct experience) made the trip North from Seattle this year leaving on 2-Jan, getting here about a week ago. He reported that he had no problem finding stations to keep his 30+ gallon diesel tank at 1/2 or higher. He never had to get into the 20 gallons of spare diesel cans in the back of his pickup. ....which is a key point on this rambling message. Until my latest trip (3 years ago, helping someone relocate from Ewe-Stun), in 20+ trips since that '72 trip, I've always made a point to carry at least 10 gallons of fuel for any trip outside of the May - August window. That gave me anywhere between 150 and 220 miles of "Oh ****, I'm getting low" problem solving. I'm not sure what the mitigation is if one's pure EV lasts shorter than expected in cold weather. ...and again, I'll admit to a morbid fascination of "what can go wrong", but I'm unwilling to take the drive, at any time between October and April which is winter driving with all the risk that entails, between Los Anchorage and Glennallen even though the mileage looks to be within the range of an EV and even though there might (probably?) be charging stations in Glennallen. Hard to say. BC hydro plans to populate both the highway to Alaska and the one to the yukon with DC fast chargers every 80 to 120 kilometers. Big project. At this point they are projecting 2025 as a completion date. They have been pretty good with staying on schedule on other routes. It wouldn’t surprise me if they gitterdun.
Reisender 01/16/23 06:46pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

Does anyone know the wattage on the battery heaters used in EV's? It depends on the car Don. But generally speaking EV’s do it different than ICE cars. Unlike an Ice car that uses an electric element to heat metal, most EV’s use the power from the battery to heat itself, or in many cases the coolant which is circulated. But that only happens down till about 20 percent battery and then that gets turned off so the battery isn’t depleted. It also doesn’t heat it unless the owner decides to either pre-condition the battery in preparation for charging or if the owner wants to warn the interiour and defrost the windows. Even if the car is plugged in the power will still come from the battery, but the battery will be charging because it’s plugged in. The power for everything always comes from the battery. The only thing that changes when it is plugged in is the battery is charging. So in answer to your question, you can use anything from 8 amps at 120 volts to 48 amps at 240 volts. But the battery won’t be heated unless the user or the software decides it needs it. Below minus 30 the algorhythm changes a bit from what I understand. But only if it’s plugged in. The coldest we have used ours over the years is about minus 30 so I can’t speak to colder than that. We don’t plug ours in if it’s out in those temps as the cord gets to stiff to put away. The car doesn’t care either way. It takes an extra 5 minutes to warm up and defrost the windows at that temp. We have a garage but unfortunately it is often occupied for projects so it is not always available. Hope that helps. I should have been clearer I wanted to know if the battery was kept warm while plugged in at temperatures down to -37 c (-34 f)--and if so, how much power does it use to do so. I'd have access to level 1 charging. I seem to remember that the Leaf does use energy from the battery bank to keep the bank warm. But really not sure at all Yah I get what you are asking now. Bottom line is a normal 120 volt 15 amp receptacle is fine for that. We did all our charging like that for a couple years. But even a 240 volt 12 amp connection is much better. We since added that and it’s a much better charging solution in cold weather. Hope that helps.
Reisender 01/16/23 12:50pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

Does anyone know the wattage on the battery heaters used in EV's? It depends on the car Don. But generally speaking EV’s do it different than ICE cars. Unlike an Ice car that uses an electric element to heat metal, most EV’s use the power from the battery to heat itself, or in many cases the coolant which is circulated. But that only happens down till about 20 percent battery and then that gets turned off so the battery isn’t depleted. It also doesn’t heat it unless the owner decides to either pre-condition the battery in preparation for charging or if the owner wants to warn the interiour and defrost the windows. Even if the car is plugged in the power will still come from the battery, but the battery will be charging because it’s plugged in. The power for everything always comes from the battery. The only thing that changes when it is plugged in is the battery is charging. So in answer to your question, you can use anything from 8 amps at 120 volts to 48 amps at 240 volts. But the battery won’t be heated unless the user or the software decides it needs it. Below minus 30 the algorhythm changes a bit from what I understand. But only if it’s plugged in. The coldest we have used ours over the years is about minus 30 so I can’t speak to colder than that. We don’t plug ours in if it’s out in those temps as the cord gets to stiff to put away. The car doesn’t care either way. It takes an extra 5 minutes to warm up and defrost the windows at that temp. We have a garage but unfortunately it is often occupied for projects so it is not always available. Hope that helps.
Reisender 01/16/23 09:20am Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

Too many things do not make any sense. At a time when we are all being pushed into EVs, and electricity supply is constrained.... We have companies with warehouses full of computers running 24/7 To "mine" fake money. The electricity wasted doing this could have far better and more productive uses.. Then this fake money is sold to a greater fool for real money in the hopes that an even greater fool will come along and pay even more for it. So long as we as a society fall into this madness, I do not see how we can possibly affect the climate in a positive way. I have a long list of things that do not make any sense,,but this is enough for now Totally agree. Bitcoin is bizarre.
Reisender 01/15/23 07:15pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

Reisinder Wrote: Just keeping it real. Reisinder I for one appreciate your post and your comments. As someone who actually owns and dares to tow and camp with an EV you are a tremendous source of first hand knowledge. My comments as far as charging and time were more directed at everyday use vs. towing. With that in mind I challenge those who have not experienced a Tesla to find a way to take a ride in a Tesla. I'm not suggesting it will make you wanna run out and buy an EV. But it will likely change your opinion and give you a better understanding of what the EV fuss is all about. Yep for sure. That test drive is a very awakening experience. :) EVs are addicting for the car and technology nuts. The immediate acceleration response and the torque make a lasting impression. I like letting people drive my little BMW and you can see their face change when they put their foot down and the car keeps going pass 90mph with no effort... Yah. We had someone with us for a short trip when pulling the trailer. The car does zero to 60 mph in about 4 seconds. It does it in about 8 seconds pulling the trailer. Should have heard the x rated expression when we stomped it going up an on ramp onto the highway. :). Kinda fun. But you have make sure everything is well packed in the trailer. :).
Reisender 01/15/23 06:17pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

Here's All Electric Family towing their Airstream using a strategy of two EV trucks to get their camper to the campground. Unbelievable! Link Thanks, that was fun. BTW for those who haven't seen this, they're taking both EVs to an EV rally and they wanted to see which truck performs better. They say several times this is just a fun experiment and isn't the way they normally travel. That's a beautiful 30' Airstream. :-) How does a young family afford a very expensive Rivian, a very expensive Airstream AND an expensive F150 Lightning? I also would like to see how the Rivian and Lightning do towing a conventional TT, instead of the streamlined Airstream. From what I see discussed on the EV/RV Facebook groups they don’t. Most people with Rivians are towing lighter smaller lower profile trailers like ours. Seems to work quite well for them. I don’t pay as much attention to the lightning group but at least the folks we have talked to or corresponded with are towing lighter smaller units, although I know at least one who tows his what I consider fairly large trailer to a local forestry site every Friday night. Pretty close to town though. No idea what it says but it’s probably around 27 or so feet. If it was me and I was pulling a big trailer I would go back to diesel. Right tool, right job.
Reisender 01/15/23 01:49pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

Reisinder Wrote: Just keeping it real. Reisinder I for one appreciate your post and your comments. As someone who actually owns and dares to tow and camp with an EV you are a tremendous source of first hand knowledge. My comments as far as charging and time were more directed at everyday use vs. towing. With that in mind I challenge those who have not experienced a Tesla to find a way to take a ride in a Tesla. I'm not suggesting it will make you wanna run out and buy an EV. But it will likely change your opinion and give you a better understanding of what the EV fuss is all about. Yep for sure. That test drive is a very awakening experience. :)
Reisender 01/15/23 12:20pm Tow Vehicles
RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

All I will add to all this diatribe is that the real advantage of EV's is efficiency. Charge time is not efficient. Efficiency defines energy in this case, time is really a different parameter. That said charging time does not derate the EV's efficiency nor does it limit its viability in most cases. Sure if your competing in the 24 hours at Daytona or crossing the country in a competition like "It's a Mad Mad World". Charge time may have a huge impact, but for typical every day use charge time is not a huge factor. It does add up, but a lot depends on how you travel. On a 600 kilometre day we will spend 90 minutes supercharging, but 30 minutes of that is lunch so not really lost time. Realistically we probably lose an hour. But really for us when we are touring it’s rare for us to travel that far in a day. Many of our days we only travel 50 to 100 kilometres. But yep, on dead head days like over northern Ontario our days is probably an hour longer because of charging. That can also get better or worse depending on wether we charge in the campground overnight. Although we do that commonly that is certainly not always the case as we dry camp a lot. And since we generally only rent 30 amp sites we rarely hit the road with more than 60 or 70 percent charge if we are just staying overnight. This is outside of Sudbury Ontario and we are charging on a 30 amp site which is max 24 amps so around 3 kw an hour….ish. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52204803650_28727cdd0e_c.jpg Just keeping it real.
Reisender 01/15/23 11:56am Tow Vehicles
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