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RE: Route from NY to NM

Hello all! We are planning a road trip from Long Island, NY to Founders Ranch in Edgewood, New Mexico in June of 2021. We would like to spend a week traveling to NM and sight seeing along the way, maybe try out using some BLM land for camping. We will be in NM for a week then we would like to take a different route home where we will spend a week sight seeing on the way home. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated We are traveling with 3 RVs, 2 Class A motorhomes and 1 Travel Trailer THanks!!! Couple things that can Help - get off the Island EARLY and beat the traffic - maybe on Friday after work - everyone is packed and ready to go on Thursday, you have no idea how big this will be. With Three(3) vehicles the chances of all three making it to NM without some issue is Slim - so you need to have a plan for that! Most likely the closest thing you will have to BLM is a Wal*Mart, until you get to New Mexico. Sorry but the drive out is that A Drive ...a long 2,100 miles - so if you can get 200 miles on that first Friday that will leave you with 1,900 miles in 7 days - your average speed will be closer to 50 than 60 mph so think about that when you plan. Eight Hours in the Saddle is a long day. What we will usually do with Kids is the Friday drive out - Wal*Mart - as long a day as possible to a CG with a Pool for the Night and the Early Morning then two more long days - before giving the kids a break again. Route is one of Many so just use your Mapping choice to get to where it thinks is easiest. We use Zoom, or Bing Maps over google as it works better for us. Give us more details and maybe we can help more with specifics. Hope this is of some help, edit; just saw your post - 12 hour days will work if you can handle them and will get you there sooner - there is where you want to spend time - so get there and then look for spots - where in NM? It's a big and Varied area - Mountains and Desert - if you are looking to find and enjoyable stop as you drive across the flyover States look for a reservoir with a CG often they are nice. NY to Founders Ranch in Edgewood, New Mexico in June of 2021 - missed that:S - more info will still help. :)
Busskipper 03/09/20 07:14am Roads and Routes
RE: Vernal UT to Lake City CO.

Going to Lake City CO. from Vernal UT. Googles routes me to Hwy 50 in Grand Junction then on to 26 (Lake City Cutoff Rd) on 149 to Lake City. Does anyone know what kind of road is 26? Google doesn't do a good zoom on it. Full disclosure - I've not been on this road. However, THIS Google Search - Lake City Cutoff Road comes up with this specific review on TripAdvisor. General google search gives other info. Sounds like it's something locals use, but may not be appropriate for most RVs as far as time savings. Thom, really a road not Traveled - :h - Gives you a reason to head into the Southern part of Colorado - Thinking that is a Miss-que by Google Maps - now in the Toad.....might be fun but not likely Faster. Glad to have one of the Colorado Pro's chime in and help clear it up. :)
Busskipper 03/04/20 06:50am Roads and Routes
RE: Vernal UT to Lake City CO.

Going to Lake City CO. from Vernal UT. Googles routes me to Hwy 50 in Grand Junction then on to 26 (Lake City Cutoff Rd) on 149 to Lake City. Does anyone know what kind of road is 26? Google doesn't do a good zoom on it. I've made this drive and have no idea where RT 26 is? I'd take 139 - 50 - to 149 to Lake City - Sorry I have no idea where ths RT 26 might be. Could Be a Gravel 4X4 road that is not on the regular map - MAP Years ago I had directions that tried to take me over the Alpine Loop in the RV - But - as you zoom in and check it out it will likely just be a 4X4 only route. The Bing map I posted is the only real way there. Lots of other ways to get to RT 50 RT 149 intersection but that would be a whole nother story. :) Hope this helps, You will Love Lake City - It's a piece of the Old West - Wild and Beautiful - Really Beautiful - Lake City, CO Images
Busskipper 03/04/20 06:18am Roads and Routes
RE: In Quartzsite, thinking of Montanna.. don’t like mountains..

Going up California might be fun, but then, are the routes through the mountains fairly flat? Otherwise, it looks like I go back east to New Mexico and turn north towards Denver. Q: What are the flat routes? Best option for you might be to head to San Diego then up the coast fairly flat most of the way. Option two, catch a plane.
Busskipper 03/03/20 07:54am Roads and Routes
RE: Sedona to Moab and all points in between

Ok everyone, make us a "List" of things to see and places to stop. Traveling from Sedona AZ eventually arriving in to Moab for Jeep Week. We've been to Monument Valley and Arches National park, but need suggestions for other points in-between. All suggestions are appreciated in advance. Thanks to you all. Something like THIS might be Fun. Sedona to HorseShoe bend then maybe a slot canyon or two before Page/Lake Powell - then Possibly Zion if you are ready for the Crowds - Angels Landing and the Narrows are always calling - Bryce is worth the effort - With Escalante and Kodachrome as a stop - then RT 12 and and the Hog Back before Capital Reef - I highly recommend the drive across the Narrow part of Lake Powell along with a drive in the Jeep on some of the shores - Now Catch Natural Bridge before heading on up to Moab and all the fun, don't miss the drive along RT 128. One more link that will help with giving you some Local Knowledge of the town. 4runners Guide to Moab!. Hope this was what you were after. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 02/28/20 11:55am Roads and Routes
RE: Driving through D.C.

We'll be pulling a 19' Coleman 17FQ through D.C. to drop off our daughters at a hotel where they'll be attending a wedding for a weekend. My wife and I will continue on out of D.C. for a few hours to camp for the weekend, before returning to pick them up and head back home to Ohio. We don't plan on any layover in D.C., just "stop, and get out/in...quickly!" Have any of you pulled a camper through D.C., or am I just asking for trouble, and should I make alternative plans/routes? Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! First - it just depends on your comfort level - I have Driven My Coach and many others in DC - But I live here and it is really not an Issue. Give us more info and Maybe we can be more specific - for just smarts and ease of driving I'd select the CG and leave the trailer before going into Town - then when you are ready to leave and are hooked up, to pick the girls up, it is not totally unfamiliar to you. It's just a city with some tight streets being slightly familiar will help. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 02/25/20 06:29am Roads and Routes
RE: Grand Lake, CO from the west

Black Canyon to Grand Lake: The route with the easiest grades would be US 50 east to Grand Junction, then catch I-70 and head east to CO 131 at Walcott. North on CO 131 to just over the Colorado River at State Bridge and then head east on the Trough Road (CR 1) which parallels the Colorado River for part of its length. The Trough Road is a well maintained graded road that they put magchloride on to keep it smooth and the dust down. This joins CO 9 just south of Kremmling. From there it's east on US 40 etc. If it's dry weather, the Trough Road is the route we (and other locals) take to Grand Lake from Glenwood Springs. If it's rainy, magchloride makes the road kind of slippery so we head north to Toponas and take CO 134 east over Gore Pass to US 40, then take a right to Granby, etc. Gore Pass is just over 9500' so a pretty easy pass. For a little more scenic variation on this route, take CO 92 out of Delta to CO 133 and over McClure Pass and on through Carbondale. Then north on CO 82 to Glenwood Springs, I-70, etc. The drive along the Crystal River is one of the most amazingly scenic routes in this state esp. up by Marble and Redstone. Leaving Grand Lake: I think the hardest thing about going over Trail Ridge Road is dealing with all the traffic. Lots of people sightseeing = slow going. Heading south over Berthoud Pass means heading into Denver from Empire on a very busy stretch of I-70. Not a difficult drive but for the traffic. CO 14 over Cameron Pass and down the Poudre is indeed scenic but can also be quite busy esp. on weekends. If you don't mind the extra time, the route up CO 125/127 to WY 230 is an excellent option. Ken has been the on line authority for almost 20 years, on Colorado - Between Ken and Thom you are getting what, IMHO is the Best Local advice on All Things Colorado. Almost 15 years ago I posted a Picture of a View that I could not remember it's location - Ken ID'd it and then gave me the History.... I've never forgotten that, so Yes Ken Knows Colorado well!
Busskipper 02/25/20 06:22am Roads and Routes
RE: St George, UT to Cannonville, UT (Bryce Canyon Trip)

I would, and have, taken the road (UT-9) from Zion and straight through the tunnel to Carmel, then north on 89 to 12. That saves a lot of time and only costs $15 for the rangers at Zion to stop the traffic through the tunnels so only traffic going your direction is in the tunnel and you have the whole road to ride the centerline. May 2018 when we drove the tunnel there was no longer the $15.00 fee. The traffic was alternating one way for everyone. A note: Zion parking lots are FULL by 10:00 AM. You will need to park in the town and take the bus into the park. ^^^^^^^^^^ Good advice. ^^^^^^^^^^
Busskipper 02/24/20 08:37am Roads and Routes
RE: St George, UT to Cannonville, UT (Bryce Canyon Trip)

Okay, back in October last year we started planning this trip, and I asked about getting from the Grand Canyon, South Rim to Sedona.(Here was my original question back in 10/2019) I got great feedback on that thread, and I thank profusely all that contributed. Now, time has passed, and we've been planning and preparing, and we leave in about 10 days! Wohoo! Plans, however, have changed, due to weather, poor timing on our part, and whatever, so here I am coming back to the well again. We've dropped the whole Grand Canyon stop until next trip. This trip we are heading to St George, UT to spend time at Zion NP and that area. From there we are heading for two long stopovers up at Bryce Canyon. The first stop is at Bryce Valley KOA at Cannonville, just East of the park. The second is at Ruby's, up in Bryce Canyon City at the North end of the park. We are leaving St George on April 8th. Which route is best for the signature rig, or for any rig for that matter? I see a couple of obvious options, but don't know anything about them. Route A) North on I-15 to Hiway 20, then East to Hiway 89 at Bear Valley Junction. Going South from there on Hiway 89 to Hiway 12 East would take us right past Bryce (turnoff for Bryce Canyon City), and down to Cannonville. This looks like the most "major road" route of the two, but is a bit farther around. Route B) North on I-15 to Cedar City, and then head East on Hiway 14, picking up Hiway 89 North at Long Valley Junction. Heading North from there on Hiway 89 intersects Route A above when we hit Hiway 12 to go East, still taking us right past Bryce (turnoff for Bryce Canyon City) and then to Cannonville. This route seems a bit more direct, but over less major roads. In fact, I suspect I might be a bit nuts to consider this one, but hey, I already admitted I don't know the area at all, so what the heck. I'm game to hear that and be advised if it be the case. Did I miss a more obvious and direct option? What do you think of these options in mid-to-late April? Thanks in advance! ReallyBigMax Some Reading for you on the Area. More on the area with Two Gypsies giving good insight:) Don't forget Kolob part of Zion National Park - often Missed but Beautiful! IMHO Twogypsies will be your best advisor - Best of Luck with the Routes,
Busskipper 02/24/20 06:55am Roads and Routes
RE: Grand Lake, CO from the west

The way I see it, there are three options heading out: Trail Ridge up and over through Rocky (my wife is not keen on that), Highway 40 via Berthoud Pass (not sure I'M keen on that) south to I-70, or 125/127 north up to Laramie, WY (I don't know this route at all). Primarily thinking grades and pulls. There is another option to these 3. Take CO 125 north to Walden then take CO 14 east up and over Cameron Pass and down the Poudre Canyon. Beautiful drive, Cameron is not overly difficult. A lot shorter than going up and over to Laramie. If your wife is not keen on Trail Ridge, she will definitely not enjoy the 11 or so miles that you're above timberline with no guardrails and drop offs. US 40 over Berthoud Pass really is not difficult, there are multiple lanes in both directions, no shelf roadway, but it IS a high pass and a goodly incline and decline. Going up CO 125, there's Willow Creek Pass, barely noticeable as passes go. Flat/rolling terrain to Walden and then north to where 127 splits off. There's a goodly climb on CO/WY 127 but it's not difficult. There's also a drop down to Woods Landing WY, just keep an eye on speed going down. Rolling terrain coming out of Woods Landing in to Laramie. ^^^^^^^^^^ Thom Knows Colorado! Good advice! ^^^^^^^^^^ We will be in Grand Lake, CO/west side of RMNP this summer, coming from Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP. What is the easiest way in to Grand Lake? We're towing a 25' travel trailer that will make the truck work as we wind through Colorado. I'm no stranger to mountain driving, and have come in to Grand Lake via Winter Park and Berthoud Pass (without towing) numerous times. ..................................... A little background, a couple years ago we took our rig from Mueller State Park west to Durango and the San Juans via Wolf Creek Pass, so I'm comfortable towing in the mountains. I just don't know what that 125/127 route is like. Thanks! Only thing I might add is the drive up to Grand Lake from Black Canyon would be to get to Silverthorne and then take RT 9 to Kremmling then on to Grand lake - takes Berthoud out of the Picture and other than Monarch Pass on RT 50 is really, as far as passes go not that noteworthy. JMHO :) If you were to go North on RT 125 as the exit plan then Snowy Range might rate a Drive through. - That would work, right Thom? MAP - Grand Lake to Snowy Range to Laramie. Just a thought,
Busskipper 02/24/20 06:36am Roads and Routes
RE: Quiet boondocking Moab + South Grand Canyon late march

Quiet campsites (boondocking) Moab/South Grand Canyon area late march Hi all We will be in a 4x4 pop-up truck camper, (so easy to off road) and I'm looking to find scenic quiet safe boondocking late march. Specifically just 2 areas - (sadly short on time and limited to only these 2 areas) just a tiny bit north or just south of Moab, UT (so easy dinner in Moab that night) and also at, or very close to the South rim of Grand Canyon. Yes of course we'll watch for road closures, and watch the weather.... and I believe that roads may close that make it impossible to get to the South rim of the Grand Canyon. We are fully self contained, and prefer scenic and quiet boondocking. Thanks for any suggestions! :-) Good source of info Here Should have no issue on the South Rim - Come in on RT 64 from the east - Might catch Monument Valley and Goosenecks on the way south. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 02/18/20 07:32am Roads and Routes
RE: Mother Cabrini Shrine, Golden, CO

Has anyone visited the Mother Cabrini Shrine? There is a gate near the top of the hill before the Stone House with a bar over the road. Does anyone know the clearance under that bar? Not sure we can get under it with an RV. Thanks for anyone that has the answer! Look's fine as far as getting under - Just drove up on line - just call to be sure - think you might also be sure you can make the switch backs. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 02/13/20 04:04pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Hwy 160 though Colorado

Me and Earl was haulin chickens on a flatbed outa wiggins and so on wolf creek pass and ended up in the feed store in down town Pagosa Springs or something like that. The song explains it better. alaska315 for the win! Anyone who can recite some C.W. McCall lyrics is good by me. Listen - Here
Busskipper 02/11/20 08:40am Roads and Routes
RE: Two Questions in Colorado

I like "best and safest" and also "least stressful and most relaxing." Do you have a time crunch? I would double back to Fort Collins and enjoy the drive up 14. However, Thom definitely is the authority here. One aspect of doubling back from RFL to US 287, then south to CO14, is being able to fuel up with gas/diesel at a competitive price at Teds Place, which is the intersection of CO14/US287. About 90 miles from there to Walden, with peace of mind that fuel will not be an issue. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Thom, Really Knows Colorado ^^^^^^^^^^
Busskipper 02/11/20 08:37am Roads and Routes
RE: Two Questions in Colorado

We are going to be staying at Dowdy Lake Campground at Red Feather Lakes, CO in August. When we leave we are going west on Hwy 14. Does anyone know of a dump station going west before we reach Walden? Also, we are towing a 30’ Arctic Fox fifth wheel camper. Map shows quickest way is to take the 12.5 mile gravel road which is W CR 74e (Manhattan Rd.) which becomes N CR 69 and comes out at Rustic, CO on Hwy 14 where we go west. Forest Service mentioned some “steep” places and some “switchbacks”. Has anyone towed this road? Would you recommend doing this? Otherwise we will have to go back towards Ft. Collins and go south and get on Hwy 14 west—take twice as long, but we can do whatever is best/safest. THANKS There is only 1 place between Rustic and Walden (about 60 miles) to dump and that is the Colorado State Forest SP facility outside of Gould. It's right off CO 14 at CR 41, by the North Park Campground and Never Summer Nordic yurts. Make a right and bear left for the entrance to the SP, just past the entry make a left heading toward the shops and there's a loop for the dump. It doesn't have water there though. CR74E is the Red Feather Lakes Road. You can go west from Dowdy Lake to the intersection with the Manhattan Road (CR69), or you can double back on the RFL Rd and pick up CR68C, AKA the Boy Scout Ranch Road. Of the 2, I prefer CR68C. These 2 roads intersect and become CR69 to Rustic. This is where it gets interesting. It is steep, it is very narrow and it's 2 directions, so you are likely to encounter traffic heading uphill as you are going downhill. There are no pull offs. There are a couple of very tight turns and if you commit to them, you are committed. There is no backing up; the uphill traffic would need to back up for you. This is a short segment however. But it is definitely a challenge. If you are comfortable with steep and narrow and willing to commit once you are approaching the curves, it's doable. If it were me, I would put flashers on, honk my horn a lot because some of the curves are blind, and hope for minimal traffic. This way does save you time; stop at Rustic Resort or Archers Resort and take some deep breaths :E You don't have to double back to US 287 on the RFL Rd and go south to CO 14. From Dowdy Lake, you can continue past the Manhattan Rd on CR 86/the Deadman Road (named for a mountain, not the condition of the road!) It is an all season road like all the others in that area, and there are a lot of curves. But it is doable and can be scenic as well. You'll be dropping down into the Laramie River Valley and as you are nearly down, you'll intersect with CR 80C/the Sand Creek Pass Road. Make a left on CR80C, and that will take you to CR103/the Laramie River Road. Make a left and stay on the Laramie River Road all the way to CO 14. Yes, it's all dirt, and there are some rough spots, but there's also some scenic portions. THIS is wild Colorado. This is my stomping grounds. Been going to this area since the early 80s when I moved to Colorado. THIS is what Colorado is all about. A fuel caution. Fill up with gas/diesel in Red Feather Lakes. Full tank. There's a very hard to get to pump at Rustic Resort and also one at Archers Resort, but IIRC, there's no diesel at either. From Red Feather to Walden, either way you go, there's no diesel. There's 2 stations in Walden that have gas/diesel. ^^^^^^^^^^ Thom Knows Colorado - Good Info ^^^^^^^^^^^ Would love to hear more about this area - as it has escaped me so Far.
Busskipper 02/10/20 08:09pm Roads and Routes
RE: Ridgway State Park to Leadville

What is the best way to go to Leadville/Buena Vista area from Ridgway State Park? We have a large dually pickup and will be towing a 34-ft fifth wheel. This is planned for July 2020. We prefer ease of towing, and would like to keep steep mountain passes, etc to a minimum. Thanks for any information you can give us. Big :) here. You are in the Heart of the Rockies - As will usually be the case any trip from Here to There will likely involve a Mountain or Two! Suggested Route - with one pass - First time over this I just thought I had gone over a Mountain "Not a Pass" - Note here I love Driving in the Mountains. Might be fun to Stop at Monarch Mountain Ski Resort to rest and stretch your legs - One more note - Wal*Mart is in Gunnison to Resupply - and - is worth the stop for dinner. Hope this helps, as the Alternative is Vail Pass and that's Big. Best of Luck, edit Another Post to Read on the Area.
Busskipper 02/04/20 08:28am Roads and Routes
RE: I-70 Colorado in April

SO we're planning a trip to Moab, UT the end of April coming from the east. I'm hearing that it's not unusual to get snow at that time of year and I-70 may be closed then. Any comments? Everyone is likely relating their experiences to you - so While I do not live in Colorado I've got Four Granddaughters there - so we are there often to say the least - Having also spent two Winters in Golden I have traveled often in both the RV and the Car to and From Vail/Breck/Steamboat/Moab - so I can relate to your concern. I'll be flying out tomorrow for a week so I'll check first hand. Watch the Weather - Period! It can and will often change more than once a day, Look at CDOT - - click on any camera to see the Currant conditions - as they are all Different. Big Deal is Eisenhower Tunnel and Vail Pass - then usually good to Glenwood Springs - and try to Remember to Exit on Utah Exit 214 off I-70 to Moab - Following the Colorado River Just Beautiful and a great Welcome to Moab Drive:) 4runnerguy's Link here - - will help with Moab, April is busy so might be smart to check for Reservations. Link to West Side Truck Ramp post #13 Pictures don't lie - Thousands of Skiers flock to those Hills when it snows - so Check CDOT info and just be prepared to wait a day if needed, Love it in those Rocks in April. Weekends are not a good time as Traffic can Be Horrendous - Lot's of Skiers! - IMHO Traffic is as big a concern as Weather. Hope this helps,
Busskipper 02/03/20 08:53am Roads and Routes

dont know how heavy. Its a Grand Design Solitude 310 (2019) Might be a good Idea to get an Accurate Measurement on the Height of the Trailer on your Vehicle - when empty and when full. Requires someone to hold a stick out level and measure - we usually just take a string and when level cut it off and measure to get it correct. Just a Thought,
Busskipper 01/24/20 10:43am Roads and Routes

We have been out west a zillion times and are going to WYS for 7 days there let alone many many many stops. We have a 36 ft 5th wheel that is 13.5 tall so I was concerned about the bridges and tunnels on what ever roads. We live in Ft Ld and will be going to: Memphis,Eureka Spr, Dodge, Co Spr, YS,Bryce-Zion, Lake Powell, Grand Canyon, then down to a few stops in TX then to San Antonio, Nashville to name some stops. Like I said, many we have been to before but some want to visit again. Looking at going from Co Spr to 287 or 191 to get to Yellowstone. If we go on 191 we can miss the traffic is S YS and go directly to WYS where we will camp 15 min N oF WYS. We have 7 days there, so we will do the S end with just the truck. Sorry to have missed your Mission. - Couple things that would have helped in getting a more legitimate/helpful reply - The fact that the rig is 13.5' tall, would have helped - Never seen one that tall but what would I know without some factual info like, type of 5th wheel.:h Second your join date and the fact that you have only 3-4 posts would indicate you Just Might be a Rookie.:S While I have not yet been out West a Zillion times, yet, I go at least a couple times a year and have a couple hundred thousand miles out there, ..... I always look to make the Drive as good as the Destination - .....with Yellowstone being the destination, that requires a pretty good Drive.:R So, Sorry, to have not been of any help - Might work on your signature so we would have an idea as to the type of RV'er you are ..........not that you just joined and didn't know to fill out the Signature part of the registration.;) Time of year would also help, as you are well aware of the Heat in the Summer of Utah - so it is a much more friendly place in the Shoulder seasons..........But I'm sure you have that factored into your Zillion and 1st trip. Look over these to see if they might help; State DOT's are the best place to get honest info.,T:,1 Similar post with similar replies you might enjoy. Enjoy the Rockies and the Southwest - so much to see and Never.....Never Enough TIME!
Busskipper 01/24/20 10:28am Roads and Routes

Going to W.Yellowstone from Colorado Springs. Looks like going from Co Springs to Lander to W.Yellowstone is the least miles. It is not interstate, so I am wondering about if any bridges or any other issues. Some say to go Co Spr to Rock Springs to Idaho Falls to W.Yellowstone. Hate to add another 100 miles because we have about 8,000 during our across the US trip. If I understand the Question you are out on a Tour of the USA - to SEE the Sites and you are going from Colorado to West Yellowstone. May I be so bold to offer a much more Beautiful drive that will allow you to see more of the Rockies that you may Enjoy? ImHO if you are traveling around the USA and the number of Miles you are driving is the Leading Concern you may need to really Think about your Mission! You are in the Middle of Colorado, which IMHO is almost Heaven. Sorry if this is not a direct answer to your question as it just ........well just not right to not endeavor to try to see more not less as you drive from destination to destination. My simple/easy/recommended/short drive would be Colorado Springs to Buena Vista/Collegiates/Independence Pass/Twin Lakes/Leadville/Arkansas River/Browns Canyon to Dino National Monument - catching Camp Hale/Red Cliff/Minturn/Aspen/Maroon Bells/Glenwood Springs/Rifle State Park/ as you drive along the way then Flaming Gorge to Alpine to Jackson to the Tetons up through Yellowstone and out to West Yellowstone. Map of the general Route Just a beautiful Drive that has a little to see along the way :) If you insist on your Lander Route you need to be aware of I-25 traffic which can in and of itself be just Gruelling on all in the vehicle - You will pass the opportunity to see RT 6 drive/Golden/Boulder/Peak to Peak drive/RMNP/RT 34 0r 36/Snowy Range/Wind River Canyon/Cody Chief Joseph Highway Beartooth.............the list goes on. To simply answer your question about most routes in the West - Bridges when encountered usually work - Restricted Roads are marked (Independence Pass) - Interstates are filled with Trucks and generally pretty bumpy - Side roads are Better and there is more to see and do than you can possible accomplish id a lifetime much less in one Trip. Hope this helps,
Busskipper 01/24/20 06:57am Roads and Routes
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