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RE: Golden to Gunnison Co

There you are - two of the Colorado Experts have given their sage advice - After reading just try to decide - ................- No Wrong Choices. If you have the time, try them all, then report back. If you are really Lucky try all these in the last 10 Days of September - the Aspen will sure reel you in to just Loving Colorado, and all the options it will offer. Best Of Luck,
Busskipper 08/10/20 05:53am Roads and Routes
RE: Golden to Gunnison Co

Looking for a recommendation for the best route from Golden to Gunnison. We are 25 feet not towing anything. Also, any must stops on the way? Is there a length restriction for the south rim road at Black Canyon of Gunnison Thom is usually Spot on with his recommendations, but I'll venture at a much more scenic and IMHO Interesting Route. Out of Golden head out RT 6 and follow Clear Creek to I-70 this is MY Welcome to Colorado Drive Tunnels shear walls of the Canyon and Clear Creek - on a good two lane road - Hard to Beat! Now follow I-70 through the Tunnel to RT 91 to Leadville, Not a bad little drive that gets you to 10,000' in Leadville I-70 is easy enough and IMHO is actually pretty spectacular. RT 91 to Leadville is not steep and is a pleasant Drive - when you arrive you have many options as to how to get to the Gunnison and Blue Mesa Reservoir - South on RT 24 past Twin Lakes - you could take an extra day or two and drive Independence Pass to Maroon Bells and Aspen returning to finish the drive to Gunnison. Here's were it gets really hard to decide - Cottonwood Pass, newly paved that would allow you to get to Crested Butte then on down to Gunnison proper - or Monarch Pass on directly to Gunnison on RT 50. So many choices........one thing for sure every choice will yield a good result, issue in most cases is just not enough time, to see and do it all. MAP of Route through Crested Butte MAP over Monarch Pass There you go - then when you are tired and in a hurry to get back to Golden/Denver, take Thoms route Home, if that is Home. :) Sorry Thom, as it is rare that I would disagree with your suggestions, it would just be down the list a bit for Me to go RT 285 while quicker and if on a weekend might even be faster, but just not enough of COLORADO for Me. - :) JMHO, edit - we did the north side in July and there were many RV's over 24' even saw a large class A so there should not be a problem with your 25'er.
Busskipper 08/09/20 05:12pm Roads and Routes
RE: Colorado Fall Colors

Welp...changing plans again. Our normal spring trip was canceled due to the bug, so we were going to take it in the fall. Now it looks like the trip we planned for the fall will be reschedule till next spring. Figure with the bug still flying around and a lot of the points of interest being closed or reduced operations. we'll just wait. Now the new plan is just to go to Colorado for the month to see the fall colors. Looking for recommendations for places to see and stay. Not our first time in the state been through many times. Scenic full hookup campgrounds on rivers, lakes and streams. Small towns and hidden treasures. Open to any and all suggestions..Thanks We'll see you out there - just need to get there Early 15th is the latest - the 30th- will be great - Passes turn first - as for shear Beauty - Buena Vista and the Collegiates, issue is it is close to Denver so will be crowded - second but equally Beautiful would be the San Juan's. We've been out here this summer and will return to Maryland to check on things and head back in September - Places and drives we have loved - Independence Pass - Cottonwood Pass - RT 24 Leadville to Minturn/Vail/Avon - Red Mountain Pass - Ophir - Ouray - Monarch and Wolf passes - Alpine Loop - Steamboat - Kremmling - foothills -............................... Just get there there are no wrong choices - just never enough time. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 07/25/20 12:23pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: CO: Leadville to I70 via Hiighway 24

IMHO it’s a Great drive - One of the more Beautiful ones in the state - we just drove it today on the way to Delta and the RT 133 drive OMG, you drove through GWS and didn't say "Hi"?!?!? :h My bad - Been having turbo issues and was focused on the drive and the engine - I've been driving all these passes in Colorado with very little low end turbo - what a Pain, Up these passes at 30 not 50 is so different, stressful not fun. Add to that that the turbo in the Isl 400 is part of the Brake system it has been a real PITA. Working on Getting to Lake City if I can grab a spot to stay and get out on the trails - we were over in Ouray and Silverton and the places are Packed Full so may have to wait till Fall to do the Aspen and the trails. Ken, I'll make every effort to check on you after the Covid deal is over - now just trying to find quiet spots with fewer People, when this is over we will need to share a few Coors Light together. Think it was 15 years ago when I had a picture of Stagecoach SP and had no idea where I was, you ID'ed the the photo and have been the/My Colorado Expert every sense. :) Bill
Busskipper 07/21/20 08:50pm Roads and Routes
RE: CO: Leadville to I70 via Hiighway 24

Howdy, How is Hiighway 24 from Leadville, CO to I70? We are thinking of going to Glenwood Springs, CO, the first half of Aug. instead of our planned New Mexico stays due to the NM quarantine business for out of state travelers now in effect. Towing a long TT. RV park suggestions taken too, looking for some good fishing. Thanks, Mike IMHO it’s a Great drive - One of the more Beautiful ones in the state - we just drove it today on the way to Delta and the RT 133 drive - I-70 is under construction so timing is critical as it’s two way traffic for 10 or so miles - again to drive the opposite direction on the bottom half of the over under is IMHO Awesome! That section of the Colorado is great, combined with the high cliffs after Camp Hale to Red Cliff which are pretty impressive too. Think the DW got tired of me saying look at those Rocks............. Simply put you not be sorry, Best of Luck,
Busskipper 07/20/20 06:00pm Roads and Routes
RE: Black Hills suggestions

...... What movie was filmed in the Black Hills? ............. North By Northwest - :) We saw this movie when it opened in Radio City Music Hall in NYC, as we Relocated to The Left Coast - we stopped to See MT Rushmore, a few days later to see the Presidents, it was awesome then and has been everytime we go, Love the Black Hills. JMHO, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_by_Northwest
Busskipper 06/05/20 08:13am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Northeast Ohio to Yellowstone with Kids!

What is the best route and stops to make from Akron/Canton area to Yellowstone and back. We have a 41' Fifth wheel. Would prefer not to return the same way we came and would take 12-14 days. Any tips are appreciated! lost this post!
Busskipper 05/31/20 05:49am Roads and Routes
RE: Col Springs - Cortez Colorado

Going from Colorado Springs to Cortez Colorado does anyone have any advice on taking 50 or 160. Which route would be a safer ride through the Rockies? In addition to the above suggestion, you could also take US 24 west out of the Springs up to Woodland Park and on to Johnson Village where you can pick up US 285 and go south to US 50. West on US 50 up and over Monarch Pass (good climb lanes up and not difficult down), past Gunnison and Blue Mesa Reservoir to Montrose. Pick up US 550 south to CO 62 at Ridgway, CO 62 over to CO 145, which takes you south past Telluride and up and over Lizard Head Pass. Arguably as scenic a route as the route using US 160. Yes, this route has up/downs and twisties, but it's not difficult at all. For me, it's among the best that Colorado has to offer for scenery. At the top of Monarch Pass is an aerial tram to a summit to the south with incredible views of the southern mountains (IF it is open - coronavirus has it probably currently closed). Monarch Pass is not a difficult pass, nor is Lizard Head Pass south of Telluride. Along the way, there's the beauty of South Park and the Eleven Mile SP area, the Collegiate Range of mountains along US 285, the aforementioned Monarch, the Blue Mesa Reservoir area, Ridgway SP, the Telluride area and on to Dolores and Cortez. Lots of places for photo ops and lots of potential stops for overnight camping, if you want to just sort of mosey over there. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the option I'd Suggest - gets you into the Mountains quicker and allows you to see more of the Colorado you drove so far to see. If you let us know where you are coming from we may be able to help even more. RT 24 will get you to Buena Vista - Great spot with ton's to do - then over Monarch Pass to Gunnison pass Blue Mesa Reservoir - and possibly Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP then down to Ridgway/Ouray/San Juan's before taking a beautiful drive on RT 145 to Cortez. This is a trip that should take a Couple of Weeks - there is that Much to See and Enjoy! Link to post on similar drive to another Camper. Hope this Helps, as this is some Beautiful Country you will be Driving through. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 05/30/20 06:23am Roads and Routes
RE: Cody, WY to Yellowstone (East Entrance)

We are planning our first majorRV trip for this summer. Due to the closure of the North and Northeast entrances to Yellowstone, we are planning on driving from Cody, WY to Yellowstone via the east entrance. I'm learning it is a mountainous road! My husband is very comfortable and experienced driving large vehicles/RV (we have a 25 foot C Class). Has anyone driven this stretch before? How treacherous is it? Even if the north entrance is open when you go to Yellowstone (It should open in June) I'd still favor Cody for a few days before entering YNP. A stop in Cody will give you Cody with many attraction in and of itself, but also a few great day drives in the Toad - Chief Joseph Highway - Beartooth Highway - Wind River Canyon with Shoshoni and Thermopolis and the Hot Springs. Might even stay in the Buffalo Bill State Park and get all your supplies at the Cody Walmart before you get into the $$$$ high cost of YNP. As for the Drive - Easy but Beautiful - most likely it is part of the reason you drove all this way to Wyoming - to see these Mountains. JMHO,
Busskipper 05/25/20 08:26am Roads and Routes
RE: Route 34 from Estes Park through Loveland Pass

Sorry, I meant to say Loveland, CO; not the pass. We are going East from Estes to Ft. Morgan. Google maps shows this as a straight shot, although I know it has quite a few wiggles in the road. I am concerned more about road work on 34. Ahhhh...you're in luck! It's a beautiful drive down the Big Thompson Canyon on US 34 to Loveland. All the road construction has been completed, any work CDOT is still doing is landscaping and off road work. You'll be primarily in a single file lane going down, but there are a lot of pull offs in case cars back up behind you. And there's a goodly number of climb lanes for the up canyon folks. I'm usually in 2nd or 3rd gear manual shift and rarely have to touch my brakes. When you get to the Cherry Pie/Jelly place as you head down, you'll be entering the Narrows, a portion of the roadway that is indeed a bit narrow, but reconstructed from the flood of '13. Lots of twisties in the Narrows, 20MPH speeds. Once you get all the way down, you'll know it by the very large aquaduct pipe that crosses over the road and river. There's a pull off there at the Dam Store, next to..yes, a dam, and a neat waterfall with a tower to climb to get a good view, if you're so inclined to stop. Good Info ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Busskipper 05/23/20 08:01am Roads and Routes
RE: Utah?Next trip plan good distraction! Ideas needed :)

in canyonlands be sure to check out Mesa arch. bumpyMesa Arch is a short hike from a paved parking lot. Best time to see it is at sunrise: http://lakeshoreimages.com/images175/ASD_1911-Edit.jpg width=640 Jon, Always a Well thought out Image . Thanks,
Busskipper 04/08/20 12:23pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Utah?Next trip plan good distraction! Ideas needed :)

We live in Santa Cruz, CA.. family of 5 (boys ages 7,14,16). All Boys Helps - Had two myself now have all Granddaughters - 7-17 - so have some understanding of the challenges - Activities are Critical - Water - Streams - Fishing - Hikes - Ghost Towns - Learning Photography - In Post COVID-19 might need to try to avoid the Bigger crowds that are from more varied locations - this is code for IMHO Zion will not be a good choice in the Middle of the Summer - too many International Travelers = some elevated COVID-19 Risk. So again IMHO the search needs to be into more isolated Options, and with the Heat of Utah, I'd switch the Focus to Elevations most likely found in the Rockies of Colorado. Have/had an Alaska trip booked for July, likely to not happen (included a cruise, rental Rv).... so... thinking if it’s safe to go away this summer I’d rather travel in our TT. Good choice! We’d love to see Zion NP and the NP’s in the Utah area. Think I've already addressed my Opinion on this - Heat and Crowds - Don't get me Wrong, I Love Utah, just think of it as an early Winter late fall trip, it's close enough, to do it on a Spring Break weeks over a couple of Years if needed. JMHO What would be a realistic loop route from where we are, to say, Moab, or that general area? (The husband/boys like mountain biking).. even as far as Colorado? Here is a Potential Map - MAP of possible routing ..... - May need you to pick and choose possible locations to stop and camp - most of these locations would allow very private areas if desired. :) So much to see out that way, trying to narrow down to see the highlights and drive a loop if poss. Truer Words have never been Spoken - tried to focus on areas that allow dispersed Camping - Biking - Hiking and Water We have been along the route through Las Vegas, Grand Canyon before (when relocating from NC), so prefer a diff route. As I've likely done every route more than Once I can Honestly say - it's different every time and in every direction, sometimes it even helps to feel like you've been here before. :) Also, are some of the NP’s less hot in the summer, maybe at elevation? Pretty Much in Utah - Bryce is one of the Few that stays Cooler (Not that Much) and the North Rim of the GC. (Not in Utah) Likely this would be sometime between June-mid Aug. Dead of the Summer - while all are possible it is not Optimal for fun - Lake Powell could be a great trade in - vs - the Boat trip to Alaska - It is a pretty Amazing Lake and the Boats rent all summer long - Maybe just a week might work - at least to look at. We’d could go for about 2-3wks. Three Weeks will be the better of the choices if the option is possible. Can drive some longer 8hr days but then prefer shorter days. A couple longer days will be required to get out and Back - Part of the reason for the three weeks. Hope this is of some Help - 4runnerguy is an expert on Utah and Colorado - I would suggest you reach out to him if any of this looks possible, as he Knows those Great spots few ever see. Possibly send him a PM. (Pretty sure he will Help, as he Really Knows these parts) Best of Luck. Someone who did much of this before Stan's Organization and Images often help This is Why I so often suggest Colorado - if this doesn't get you - not sure anything Will!
Busskipper 04/08/20 09:02am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: What is MISSING from your RV Park?

MY answer is "Trees". When I was a Boy Scout we were surrounded by trees. ....but what is your BIGGEST shortcoming at the parks you stay at? What's Missing From My Favorite RV Park. Right now the Simple answer is ME! Then when it Opens (It will open again Right) - it will be Space for Me. It it's not Pretty Good Now, how could it Be My Favorite! JMHO,
Busskipper 03/30/20 06:42am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Reintroduction, shopping for a 10 to 20 y-o DP

Thanks to everybody who responded so far. Busskipper, the philosophy of priorities/objectives you outlined very nicely summarizes many considerations I have already formulated. Perfect! The link to IRV2 looks awesome; I read to the bottom of page 3 so far .... good stuff. May I ask about your GX470, aka Landcruiser Prado? I've never noticed one in tow, but I just happen to own a 2005. I had in the back of my mind that a 1997 or newer Jeep TJ would probably make a good toad. And I thought of getting a TJ just for exploring the desert near me. Considering the cost and effort of all the potential TJ mods to make it "sweet," right up to a LS V-8 conversion (or Cummins 4BT or VW TDI), I realize that my GX already does so many things as well or better than the TJ would, except for these concerns: I won't be dropping 35" tires under the GX or conquring Moab with it, and the body is just too pretty and vulnerable to squeeze between boulders and trees. Plus it's not as well-suited to a winch mount was a TJ would be. However, it will kick butt on a Jeep for freeway cruising, comfort and MPG, and is virtually as capable off-road. With the locking center diff and KDSS (auto-disconnect front sway bar) I have horrified some "expert" off-roaders by showing up to challenging trails in a Lexus ("nice girlie rig, dude," etc). Horror was replaced by respect when all was said and done, including me rescuing a FJ-40 that got stuck. It's a great machine. In this day and age of frameless cross-over SUVs and such, the GX is a force to be reckoned with. Mine has 170,000 miles and these days just sits around as an extra vehicle, mainly cause I know she'd sell for far less than she's worth to me! If I took the money I sold it for, I'd probably need another $20k to buy and build a TJ the way I want, it it would be lacking in many ways compared to the Lexus. Would the GX be the ideal toad? Not sure ... is it as simple as putting the transfer case in neutral, hooking up, and rolling down the road? I have never been over the scales in the GX, but I'm guessing 5500 lbs - the thing is a tank, so it would not be an inconsequential burden behind our "big rig." I would speculate that locked up in 4x4 low, the GX could pull a Class A out of some traction-challenged situations. Guess I'll hang tight with her until I make a RV decision. Skipper, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the GX 470 as a toad. Thanks very much. I am also looking for an older used DP and own a 2004 GX 470 like the OP(except mine has a little over quarter million miles). I would love to use the GX470 as a Toad but the owners manual nixes 4 down toeing. Does anyone on the forum have experience with a GX 470. Look Here the procedure is listed - It Works! Best of Luck,
Busskipper 03/29/20 09:04am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Reintroduction, shopping for a 10 to 20 y-o DP

Thanks to everybody who responded so far. Busskipper, the philosophy of priorities/objectives you outlined very nicely summarizes many considerations I have already formulated. Perfect! The link to IRV2 looks awesome; I read to the bottom of page 3 so far .... good stuff. May I ask about your GX470, aka Landcruiser Prado? I've never noticed one in tow, but I just happen to own a 2005. I had in the back of my mind that a 1997 or newer Jeep TJ would probably make a good toad. And I thought of getting a TJ just for exploring the desert near me. Considering the cost and effort of all the potential TJ mods to make it "sweet," right up to a LS V-8 conversion (or Cummins 4BT or VW TDI), I realize that my GX already does so many things as well or better than the TJ would, except for these concerns: I won't be dropping 35" tires under the GX or conquring Moab with it, and the body is just too pretty and vulnerable to squeeze between boulders and trees. Plus it's not as well-suited to a winch mount was a TJ would be. However, it will kick butt on a Jeep for freeway cruising, comfort and MPG, and is virtually as capable off-road. With the locking center diff and KDSS (auto-disconnect front sway bar) I have horrified some "expert" off-roaders by showing up to challenging trails in a Lexus ("nice girlie rig, dude," etc). Horror was replaced by respect when all was said and done, including me rescuing a FJ-40 that got stuck. It's a great machine. In this day and age of frameless cross-over SUVs and such, the GX is a force to be reckoned with. Mine has 170,000 miles and these days just sits around as an extra vehicle, mainly cause I know she'd sell for far less than she's worth to me! If I took the money I sold it for, I'd probably need another $20k to buy and build a TJ the way I want, it it would be lacking in many ways compared to the Lexus. Would the GX be the ideal toad? Not sure ... is it as simple as putting the transfer case in neutral, hooking up, and rolling down the road? I have never been over the scales in the GX, but I'm guessing 5500 lbs - the thing is a tank, so it would not be an inconsequential burden behind our "big rig." I would speculate that locked up in 4x4 low, the GX could pull a Class A out of some traction-challenged situations. Guess I'll hang tight with her until I make a RV decision. Skipper, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the GX 470 as a toad. Thanks very much. GX470 at 170,000 miles - Like New - :) - Again I will defer to an old post on another forum - Link with a few more pages to read - :) Think I pretty much decided over the years that I needed to be able to go Off Road in Colorado - Alpine Loop in the MDX was all it could handle, not sure a Jeep would not rust away - so IMHO the GX would keep the wife Happy, she has an old LS430 that I'm trying to pry her out of so this was a compromise to get her to go back on the road with me. I searched for 3 years and Found a White/Dark Grey interior - with 100,000 miles - and looks and drives like a New Car - notice I said Car - as you know the thing is a Truck (Beast) - and I love it - Self installed the Base plate from I think etrailer and went to Craigslist to get a lightly used Blue Ox tow bar - all for less than $1,000.00 so that was good. So - Yes I think the GX is the Perfect Toad, and as you know it's a Lexus and if you are so lucky as to have KDSS, I could not find one with good seats and a non cracked Dash - and in all honesty I could not tell the difference driving them on the Highway, which is what it will do for 99% of the time. As for the "Girlie look" - just smile as you pull them out with a Strap or a Chain ;) As you appear to have some time, as all of us will till summer with this COVID19 - I suggest you take the time to join the other forum and try the question there - It's just bigger and Easier to use - plus it will send you an email to notify you of other posters on a thread - pain but also a big Plus. Last thing - if a winch is needed then I think there was a guy on the other post I linked you to that put a bumper on the front to hook up his 2008 and it would easily allow a winch. Again if I can be of more help just ask, issue is I seldom come to this forum as I thought they renamed it to 83 Pace Arrow forum Bill
Busskipper 03/28/20 06:28am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

How does this post stay UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has driven me from the site.
Busskipper 03/27/20 09:48am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Multi month trip planning

Well, I fought the good fight to the bitter end but it looks like my use of Streets & Trips 2013 has finally been taken from me. I have not found a stand alone, no internet required, app to replace it. My 2009 Samsung laptop which has endured 3 bumpy trips on a table infront of the passenger seat to Alaska plus tens of thousands of miles all over the lower 48 & Canada, has finally died on me taking with it MS S&Ts to its grave. So now I need to find something else that I can plan 100 day plus trips with. I have tried the MAPS provided on Windows 10. Is it me or is it that cranky & frustrating to use? I have a 3 year old Garmin 770RV which is fine for A to B trips but that is not how we travel. We avoid interstates like they have COVID 19. We do meandering day routes, often with changes on the fly when we don't like what the Garmin has come up with. The DW is a darned good navigator & given something with the details available of S&Ts she can navigate out of any wrong turn. So, what else is there that I can use to plot away creating the next multi thousand mile trip, along with ideas on where to stay? Would this work Ebay - Microsoft Streets & Trips 2013 (Retail) (1 PC/s) - Full Version for Windows B17-00563 While I still have an old copy on an old computer I worked my way into Bing Maps years ago - has never let me down and is easy to use. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 03/27/20 09:21am Roads and Routes
RE: Reintroduction, shopping for a 10 to 20 y-o DP

Greetings All, I was member here, inactive since 2015; it seems my account was deleted due to lack of use. Anyhow, I just re-joined, pleased to see I could reclaim my old username. My RV history started in the early 2000's with an Alpenlite truck camper. This forum was a tremendous resource to me as I considered that purchase, and learned the skills necessary to use and maintain my rig. The TC was fun, but child #3 made it beyond impractical, so we switched to a fifth wheel, in 2009 or 2010. It's a 2004 Thor Jazz 278 bunkhouse, single slide that is an actual 32 feet. I did a lot of upgrades to it: stripped the carpeting and laid vinyl plank flooring, reupholstered everything, massive TV and sound system upgrade, lifted the suspension to fit well with my Dodge 3500 4x4 tow rig, along with a bunch of electrical tweaks and other small fixes. I currently sit in that rig typing this post, as I isolate from my family for 14 days due to CV-19 concerns (I returned from Korea a few days ago). With immune-suppressed family members, I'm playing it safe and staying out of the house. I'm parked in the side yard at my home, with full hook-ups and a hot tub nearby. So it's not too bad. We lived in this RV for 6 months when our house had a mold issue. We being me, the wife, 3 kids, and 2 dogs. I was never uncomfortable, nor was anybody else really, until summer temps pushed beyond the limits of our single 13,000 BTU A/C unit. But due to the "cabin-fever" and general chaos of being stuffed into 250 square feet of living area for a prolonged time, fond memories of the experience are non-existent with my wife and kids. Hence, there has been little eagerness to spend time in it anywhere on earth .... even if it's in an awesome natural setting, like a mountain lake or at the beach. We have only taken 2 RV trips since our house was rehabilitated. I've known for some time that I needed to consider a nicer, newer, fresh-to-us RV in order to rekindle an eagerness to take camping road trips. Now we can shed the bunkhouse requirement, since there is just one kid left at home. So that opens up a lot of options that did not exist when I was hunting for a fifth wheel with easy sleeping for 5. I have considered a diesel pusher as an eventual goal, always putting off any serious searches due to the capital investment and operational/fixed costs compared to the fifth wheel (which is basically free to own), along with the proverbial spousal resistance, which I expect others on this board have had to hurdle at some point. Imagine my elation today, when my wife knocked on the door and dropped off dinner, while keeping a safe, germ-free distance and uttered these words: "Maybe we should get one of those big self-driving RV thingy's - you'd have more room, and we could just turn the key and go if a bad situation happens." I tried to act casual in my response, and said, "yeah, that's something we should look at." In my mind, that lead to a Tim Allen moment ... oh, oh, oh more power, bigger, better, oh, oh, oh (scratch the armpit). So here I am. As great as I think a DP might be, I do have a some reservations still, but it's time to sort through all the possibilities. One issue is I'm debt-adverse. I would only consider a cash purchase or big down-payment, low interest financing with an aggressive pay-off schedule. That, along with a desire to avoid later engines with DPF or DEF, places me in the target model years of 2000-2008 most likely. I also like the idea of a rig that has probably plateaued on its depreciation curve. Just a few years ago, I thought I'd need a $80 to $100,000 budget to get anything decent in a DP. But now I am seeing some really nice rigs in the sub-$50,000 range, so that's where my mind is. Just yesterday, I fell into a YouTube "wormhole" and watched a RV dealer walk-through of a 2000 Monaco Diplomat 38D with a Cummins ISC 8.3, just traded by the original owner. It appeared to be highly maintained and tastefully optioned/upgraded, and made the impression of being an incredible "bang for the buck." 155,000 miles on the odometer, asking $29,950. Over the years, I have purchased a number of older, well-maintained, cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats and airplanes. At the end of the day, old is old and there are potential pitfalls, no matter how loved the machine has been. But the value of buying something I could have never afforded new, but has a lot of remaining life, has always been very attractive to me. If I could find a pre-DEF 2008-ish model year quality coach for a good price, right back to something like the 2000 Monaco referenced above, I think that would be in my sweet-spot. I am open to guidance from anybody that has gone through a similar thought process. As I am in the early stages of trying to learn much more about DP coaches, one thing I have not got a handle on is seat-belted positions aft of the driver and copilot seats. Is there a timeframe (or a manufacturer) that is more likely to have seat belts installed at the sofas, dinettes or chairs? I'd like to be able to secure at least two more passengers, aside from the up-front seating positions. I feel like our family is much more insulated from injury in the cab of our modern pick-up truck while hauling a fifth wheel, with numerous airbags and other safety features than we would ever be in a big, rolling fiberglass box greatly devoid federally mandated safety features. But seat belts would appease me a bit. I welcome comments from those who have weighed the safety of riding in a tow rig vs. a Class A. I've seen the post-crash pictures of both self-contained and towable RVs; it's clear the RV structure does little to protect human occupants, but the tow vehicle seems to come out better most of the time. So it's not a trivial consideration. I know posts from newbies trying to make a decision come along all too frequently. But I do not think there is a better way to learn than gaining perspective from those who have passed this trail ahead of me. I won't be disappointed to be talked out of a Class A, as I'm certain a change in fifth wheels would get us back in the road again. And that's the main goal. But we sure like the idea of all of us sharing the living space as we roll, being able to pull over at anytime to use the amenities, etc. I hope to be primed and ready to act when this virus is on the down swing! Thanks, and take care of yourselves, and each other (from a distance). Here is a great LINK that may help in the decision - as Wolf learned a lot over the two years and despite all the recommendations to try used first he purchased a new DutchStar from Newmar.. How do I even Start looking for a good Class A While a little long it appears you have a little time on your hands so the read may be interesting, and may help fill some time. Hoping you have a larger screen to work from in the RV. in reading your post it appears you are pretty handy so used will not be an issue, but once you decide post again to get as much feedback as possible on the chosen Coach. First and most Important IMHO, will be to List the Mission - then to go through that list and prioritize what you NEED - Want and would Like, as the likes often overshadow the NEEDS! FloorPlan, FloorPlan, FloorPlan, FloorPlan did I mention FLOORPLAN :) - next is Quality of the Build (Manufacturer) and level of Quality - I'm a big fan of Wood - Solid Wood - Engine and where it lands in the DEF world - again IMHO - Big Deal - Tires and Age/Quality - Storage - inside or out as it grew older - as most coaches in the 12-20 year category age painted and Paint Checking is common on most that were stored outside - For me personally I use the Coach in the Winter so heat - non Propane was a big deal - Hydro Hot and it's condition...........as you can tell I could go on an on - a PM might just be better if you think I could help more. OH, then after the Class A decision, then you need to start thinking about the TOAD, :) Read through the recommended Link - maybe ask the question again on that forum - as it seems to be a lot more active. Hoping this is of some help. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 03/27/20 06:53am Class A Motorhomes
RE: I-40 E to I-44E to I-70E? NM to VT

I am asking the best way to get from Tucumcari, NM to Brattleboro, VT in these unusual days. Any hints from current travelers would be greatly appreciated. I'd avoid any stops in Large cities - traffic other that truck traffic should be light - with just a little planning this might work - MAP Fuel stops and fixing your own food - Wal*Mart - Allstays Wal*Mart locations - as many CG's are not open yet. This has been a great little focus time for me an My Coach - Completely emptying it - to repack - Fixed the unfixable Samsung - Rebuilt Dishwasher - Hand rubbed all the Wood and Leather....Long List Of to Do's - So if this goes on for another couple weeks I'll still be busy. If you think about it - actually look at the statistics/Map it is where we are concentrated - or where travel is central - Big Airports - not to say it is not managing to poke into rural America, it has, just not too much, as some did travel. I have not been in contact with anyone other than than the DW in 12 days and am still health so there is hope, Sorry got off on a tangent - the Map should help - if you stay away from others you should be fine - Soap and Water works - Just be sure you have plenty of Both. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 03/22/20 10:38am Roads and Routes
RE: Multi month trip planning

I use Bing maps as a planner but .........this is my Spreadsheet (off the other site) for next summer; Some of us not so Much with the Spread Sheet. Me Summer trip sheet; Start in Maryland go to Colorado - then Utah - then Colorado - then Wyoming - then - Fly to Maryland - Family reunion - fly back to Colorado.....Spreads Pretty thin - :cool: The best part is we all do it differently - and in an RV - they all Work. - :thumb: - :dance: - :thumb:
Busskipper 03/22/20 10:21am Roads and Routes
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